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Thread: 2nd+ Gen pets
My question is how will this affect/change the original 1st generation output? When I do the uller-saw-steel-uller-saw recipe normally with 40% agg or so, I get a nice CL70 with 8.7k health and around 415 damage. If I do what you said above, you mentioned I'd get a nice CL65-70. What kind of health and damage/other stats will this create? I'm just curious as to more of a purpose to actually going through this process and hope that the outcome of the stats will bring this to light for me So basically, why should I do a 2nd generation process in this example instead of just using the 1st generation uller-saw-steel-uller-saw recipe?
Amethyst-Moonshadow wrote:
Thanks for helping us get started with understanding 2nd generation
Thanks for your help! It's much appreciated
I used this recipe and refind it to start increasing of mental and phsy stats. that increase to hit and resists. I aslo managed once so far to make almost the same pet as the gen one into a cl 50. It seems as you refine the dna you can drop CL to a point but it's very hard to pin down a recipe at lest for me. My game time is limited now as my 9 month old takes most of my time (and should).
I normaly use this method when tring to refine CL 35 twins by making good first gen pets around CL 40 and using their samples to make my cl 35 with similar or better stats. For me I like to increase mental and Phsy stats as they seem hardest to raise and effect CL least.
Katharian wrote:
My game time is limited now as my 9 month old takes most of my time (and should).
/agree.
of course, we DO appreciate the time you have left over to waste with us.
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Fadedhunter wrote:
I don't know how you guys are doing that. I tried Generation pets step by step as you said (but i do not have kash so i tried with kliknik warrior dna), and all the stats just kept going way down every generation. What am i doing wrong
Try malok bull's (or what ever you call them) on dath. use just Bull DNA. make a pet say an angler for A or GEN 1. sample it use this DNA to make another pet this time a Bantha for B or GEN 2 sample it. the samples from you B pet should have the first 4 stats increase a great deal most will end up in the 980 to 1000 range. The other stats will likely have droped power being the lowest. Now use these B or GEN 2 samples in slots 1 and 2 and regular Bull samples in the rest of the slots. Should make a pretty nice little pet with great health and regen.
Now just FYI its been since before CU that I tried it this way but it should still work. If I have time after the little one goes to sleep and I'm still awake tonight I will try a few new 2 and 3rd gen recipes and see what I can do for you with non wookie world DNA. if not I have friday off (thank the gods!!) and will have time to play around a bit then.
I ran an experiment this evening to test out doing 2nd generation + sampling. Here are my results:
Fortitude 52
Dexterity 499
Endurance 273
Intellect 108
Cleverness 188
Dependability 37
Courage 10
Fierceness 38
Power 287
CL 34
Health 8.3K
Health Regen 20
Armor 312
To Hit 43
Defense Value 93
State Resist 28.1%
Critical Hit 0.3%
Critical Save 0.29%
Aggro Bonus 0.25%
Damage 40-230
Then I sampled those bearded jaxes and the samples looked like this:
Fortitude 13
Dexterity 257
Endurance 91
Intellect 155
Cleverness 65
Dependability 54
Courage 14
Fierceness 52
Power 130
CL 28
Health 7.9k
Health Regen 8
Armor 78
To Hit 18
Defense Value 52
State Resist 32.3%
Critical Hit 0.43%
Critical Save 0.43%
Aggro Bonus 0.32%
Damage 17-128
Then I sampled those durnis and the samples looked like this:
Fortitude 4
Dexterity 94
Endurance 23
Intellect 66
Cleverness 15
Dependability 41
Courage 11
Fierceness 40
Power 40
CL 26
Health 7.7k
Health Regen 3
Armor 24
To Hit 8
Defense Value 23
State Resist 24.6%
Critical Hit 0.32%
Critical Save 0.32%
Aggro Bonus 0.27%
Damage 17-128
Amethyst-Moonshadow wrote:
I ran an experiment this evening to test out doing 2nd generation + sampling. Here are my results:
In all situations there was NO experimentation involved and every slot was filled with the same generation samples.
Original Base (Uller Stoneclaw)
Hardiness 1149
Fortitude 52
Dexterity 499
Endurance 273
Intellect 108
Cleverness 188
Dependability 37
Courage 10
Fierceness 38
Power 287
created a pet (Bearded Jax) with:
CL 34
Health 8.3K
Health Regen 20
Armor 312
To Hit 43
Defense Value 93
State Resist 28.1%
Critical Hit 0.3%
Critical Save 0.29%
Aggro Bonus 0.25%
Damage 40-230
Then I sampled those bearded jaxes and the samples looked like this:
Hardiness 1149
Fortitude 13
Dexterity 257
Endurance 91
Intellect 155
Cleverness 65
Dependability 54
Courage 14
Fierceness 52
Power 130
created a pet (Durni) with:
CL 28
Health 7.9k
Health Regen 8
Armor 78
To Hit 18
Defense Value 52
State Resist 32.3%
Critical Hit 0.43%
Critical Save 0.43%
Aggro Bonus 0.32%
Damage 17-128
Then I sampled those durnis and the samples looked like this:
Hardiness 1149
Fortitude 4
Dexterity 94
Endurance 23
Intellect 66
Cleverness 15
Dependability 41
Courage 11
Fierceness 40
Power 40
created a pet (Eopie) with:
CL 26
Health 7.7k
Health Regen 3
Armor 24
To Hit 8
Defense Value 23
State Resist 24.6%
Critical Hit 0.32%
Critical Save 0.32%
Aggro Bonus 0.27%
Damage 17-128
And that's where I stopped. Did I do this correctly? And if so... I just don't quite get 2nd gen + sampling or its usefulness. Most stats went down and the things that went up only went up slightly and I'm not sure continuing the generational sampling would increase those enough. I just wanted to see the trend when doing the sampling with 2nd generations and beyond, and maybe I'm just missing it
Okay now look at your state resists in 1st and 2nd gen. They have raised along with your inellect dependability and courage (dont know what happened to your 3rd gen). It seems different DNA will raise differently in some cases espcialy with elite DNA. the Idea behind 2nd and 3rd Gen pets it to increase certain stats beyond what you started with. You can then combine them with other DNA say your second gen samples with stone claw in slots 1,2 and 5 and look at your resists and such compared to your 1st gen all uller DNA. you will come out with a pet about the same CL with better resists agro and to hit.
I think Dor and Mr. Desert have worked on 2nd and 3rds before as well and might have more info to add (hint, hint), as well as Kaommond (he's always a great help dont forget the web sticky). Now with the add of all the elite DNA it's easier to get the stats we want but normaly its at the expense of the other stat grouped with it Hardiness and fortitude for example. Like in the stone claws above high hardiness low fortitude. this means great health low regen! using 2nd and 3rd gen you can take DNA with high or med stats in both those experiment on them to raise them and then sample again. as you do this those stats both raise eventualy giveing you high 950's to 1000's based on other samples used. this is a way to get a high health and high regen pet. the same can be applied to all types of stats.
Okay that it for me right now I will be running more tests on friday and try to come up with a nice new 3 gen cl 70 or so recipe for you all to try.
Katharian wrote:
Okay that it for me right now I will be running more tests on friday and try to come up with a nice new 3 gen cl 70 or so recipe for you all to try.
Thanks for your help, and I truly look forward to seeing a 3rd generation CL70 recipe to try out! Maybe that recipe and process will better help me grasp this. I see what the idea is behind it (trying to raise some stats and then mixing that DNA with others so that you can increase the stats you want to) but as to where I should begin or mix this with... I'm out in left field.
Looking forward to a good CL70 recipe example! Thanks for all your hard work and help- it's appreciated
Katharian wrote:
I think Dor and Mr. Desert have worked on 2nd and 3rds before as well and might have more info to add (hint, hint), as well as Kaommond (he's always a great help dont forget the web sticky).
Me and Kao just wanna say that we are still clueless about what we're doing here lol. AND we appreciate all the explaining so that we can understand a bit better!
-- Dor
Dorelli wrote:
Katharian wrote:
I think Dor and Mr. Desert have worked on 2nd and 3rds before as well and might have more info to add (hint, hint), as well as Kaommond (he's always a great help dont forget the web sticky).
Me and Kao just wanna say that we are still clueless about what we're doing here lol. AND we appreciate all the explaining so that we can understand a bit better!
-- Dor
LOL, thanks Dor