Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Zero Armor, No XP new pets (rant)
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Sorpaijen
Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:41 pm
#1
This may be posted elsewhere, but I'm too angry to use the ^%$%^ search engine provided because it, too, is an incompetent half-assed piece of code.
A customer of mine said that his new CL 10 narglatch was not getting experience. I asked him to bring it in and he traded it to me and I took it against some nearby critters. It got NO experience, and I did not even get ONE point of Creature Handler exp (I am a Master Creature Handler, Master Bio-Engineer).
I took out a CL 10 Bol I had made a few days ago --- and had rolled over his exp and size once already --- and he got tons of exp and I got my one point of CH exp. Works fine.
So I make ANOTHER CL 10 narglatch for this customer, and we take it outside and try... and again, it gets no experience and I get no CH exp. Also, it's armor in the deed --- and in my datapad --- was listed as 738 or so.... when I called it, the armor displayed in the datapad was ZERO (0). And to judge by the damage he was taking, that was accurate.
I relogged to see if that would fix things.
Then I pulled a CL 14 narglatch out of a deed.... he kept his armor (2000+) but he, too, got no experience and ~I~ got no Creature Handler experience.
So I have planted giant grauls over my vendors, who now 'bark' ~warnings~ that BE pets are bugged... and the "zoo" signpost now reads that I am on hiatus until the bugs are fixed.
And, frankly, at this point? I'm more tempted than ever to drop BE entirely ---- despite the great compliments I've gotten on my "zoo". If all the pets are good for is DECORATION, that's not worth an elite profession to me.
Ultron69
Sun Aug 14, 2005 6:47 pm
#2
This could be Because of the nerfing of the elite status of the female Narglatchs which are worthless now.Old DNA might be stale.And new DNA for them is now sub par.
Dorelli
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:17 am
#3
Sorpaijen wrote:
This may be posted elsewhere, but I'm too angry to use the ^%$%^ search engine provided because it, too, is an incompetent half-assed piece of code.
A customer of mine said that his new CL 10 narglatch was not getting experience. I asked him to bring it in and he traded it to me and I took it against some nearby critters. It got NO experience, and I did not even get ONE point of Creature Handler exp (I am a Master Creature Handler, Master Bio-Engineer).
I took out a CL 10 Bol I had made a few days ago --- and had rolled over his exp and size once already --- and he got tons of exp and I got my one point of CH exp. Works fine.
So I make ANOTHER CL 10 narglatch for this customer, and we take it outside and try... and again, it gets no experience and I get no CH exp. Also, it's armor in the deed --- and in my datapad --- was listed as 738 or so.... when I called it, the armor displayed in the datapad was ZERO (0). And to judge by the damage he was taking, that was accurate.
I relogged to see if that would fix things.
Then I pulled a CL 14 narglatch out of a deed.... he kept his armor (2000+) but he, too, got no experience and ~I~ got no Creature Handler experience.
So I have planted giant grauls over my vendors, who now 'bark' ~warnings~ that BE pets are bugged... and the "zoo" signpost now reads that I am on hiatus until the bugs are fixed.
And, frankly, at this point? I'm more tempted than ever to drop BE entirely ---- despite the great compliments I've gotten on my "zoo". If all the pets are good for is DECORATION, that's not worth an elite profession to me.
Sorpaijen? Deep breathe ... I'm afraid armor has been self-adjusting since publish 17 brought in the new creature crafting system 
If you check your narglatch again (call him ) you'll see that his armor has adjusted too. This is the way that the game has decided to keep pets to the 'right' combat level - droids do it too. Combat level 10 pets get 0 armor - not sure about level 14's but it isn't very high I don't think. (To Hit and Defense Values also readjust after the second call).
Therefore that particular bugis 'working as intended'.
As for the non-CH pets not getting pet xp. I am not sure about this but it is definately a concern and I think Cin is leading the testing on the CH / non-CH slot / petxp problem. See her thread entitled 'this is not good'.
Dor
LuCha
Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:50 am
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Dorelli wrote:
As for the non-CH pets not getting pet xp. I am not sure about this but it is definately a concern and I think Cin is leading the testing on the CH / non-CH slot / petxp problem. See her thread entitled 'this is not good'.
Dor
The pets I tested for the 'this is not good' thread did get xp. I did NOT get xp (the mobs were WAY bellow my level). You have to fight things that are about your level or above to get CH xp. A master CH will get no xp for killing chubas.
Kaomond
Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:14 am
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Just done a few tests and allthe low level be pets i've just tamed are getting at least 1pt of xp, but i'm not gettng ch xp which is right cos i am capped on ch xp atm.
Seiryuu
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:23 am
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If your customer is not a Creature Handler, the pet will not get xp. Only pets used by a Handler will. Was he one?
I'm not clear if it was your or it that was not getting the xp when you tried it. If the latter, then yes, that is a bug.
I'm not clear if it was your or it that was not getting the xp when you tried it. If the latter, then yes, that is a bug.
Sorpaijen
Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:40 am
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My customer was not a Creature Handler. That's why I took the pet from him and tried it myself. The 'broken' pets got no experience in the datapad and I got no Creature Handler exp. My older CL 10 Bol, however, got plenty of exp from the same spawn site and I got one point Creature Handler exp (I am not yet capped). So something was definitely wrong with the narglatches. I forget if I mentioned it or not, but I also did the experiment with a new CL 15 Gnort and it, too, had the same problems. I sent the CL 14 narglatch and the CL 15 gnort against a CL 14 rogue bantha that spawned near my zoo, and I had to help them out (even Emboldened) because they were getting SHREDDED (zero armor will do that).
If non-CH pets are not "supposed" to get experience when used by non-CH players, how do they ever grow in size or gain ability points? Does this mean I can only sell "non-Creature Handler" pets to CREATURE HANDLERS who have to haul them around and get them up to the proper level and train them with abilities and ~then~ the creature handlers can sell them to non-CH players?
That's insane.
It's also insane that CL 10 pets have zero armor. How is that balanced? It's useless is what it is. A 3000 hit point CL 10 pet won't last four seconds against even a CL 10 foe with no armor. What good is that? And what about non-CH mounts? If they're stuck at the size of a sewer rat, they won't be wearing saddles any time soon.
I had JUST bought, like, 25k resources of various kinds to make my first serious attempt at making some pet stims and vitality packs... I've made a few for my own use, but never for sale. Well, tonight I'm going to see if my pets are still bugged... if they are, I'm starting a giant bonfire and burning all the broken ones and I'll use up the resources I have purchased making meds. That will take some time (especially if I bother to get a factory made to create the higher-level meds).
If this bug persists, however, I will either respec out of Bio-Engineer entirely (maybe go MCH / MDoc) or else cancel my subscription entirely ---- I am frankly amazed that they KEEP introducing new bugs and have clung to the OLD bugs that were here when I left two years ago!
Damn it, I'm getting riled up again. And here at work, no less. Can't have that. 
Anarrion
Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:30 pm
#8
Wild CL 10 creatures have no armor. BE pets of a given CL have exactly the same armor as wild pets of the same CL. Unless, they have the Thick Skin ability of course.
Sorpaijen wrote:
...I sent the CL 14 narglatch and the CL 15 gnort against a CL 14 rogue bantha that spawned near my zoo, and I had to help them out (even Emboldened) because they were getting SHREDDED (zero armor will do that).
...
It's also insane that CL 10 pets have zero armor. How is that balanced? It's useless is what it is. A 3000 hit point CL 10 pet won't last four seconds against even a CL 10 foe with no armor. What good is that?
Nueanda
Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:34 am
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If non-CH pets are not "supposed" to get experience when used by non-CH players, how do they ever grow in size or gain ability points? Does this mean I can only sell "non-Creature Handler" pets to CREATURE HANDLERS who have to haul them around and get them up to the proper level and train them with abilities and ~then~ the creature handlers can sell them to non-CH players?
As far as I understand... This is EXACTLY how things are supposed to work now. You can make the clones, but then only a CH can train them up, and give them any abilites to they can be more... "combat worthy". Sorry, go back to work... apparently this break is only gonna get you even more angry!
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