Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: MSN getting above 55
15 Flora Foods
15 Creature Foods
carn meat = 775FL, 531PE, 965OQ
55 is a good result, there's nothing wrong with 55, but you simply don't have good enough resources to get better. If you want better, I suggest looking for meat that has similar stats only 200 points higher PE, and flora that has similar stats only 100 points higher flavor, and wood that has 975 OQ or better (use high OQ wood in one of the slots you are using oats now).
Regardless of how good your experimentation, tool and station are, you will always be limited by the overall quality of resources. Those things just allow you to reach that limit with fewer experimentation points, which for single-line items like tissues usually isn't much of a benefit.
It is also noteworthy to mention that when you use wood as the general organic in making MNS, the flora and meat are actually no longer 50%OQ 30%PE 20%FL. Because of the way the math works out, the proper weighting for flora and meat is:
37.5%OQ 37.5%PE 25%FL
Use that formula for resource evaluation. It doesn't make a big difference, but you might as well be as precise as you can.
BTW - The formula is a little different for BSN and INN, but the above is pretty close...
Cryos_Merovingian wrote:
In the organic slot, I use wood with 997 oq and it really helps. I've been able to find several spawns of wood with oq over 990, so keep your eye out.
makittot wrote:
Cryos_Merovingian wrote:
In the organic slot, I use wood with 997 oq and it really helps. I've been able to find several spawns of wood with oq over 990, so keep your eye out.
wood FTW
Wood dose not have PE or FL, so only OQ used in calculating the experimental role. So wood with an OQ of 950 would be just like using oats with OQ950 PE950 FL950
Not exactly, Mak. My previous post mentioned that the use of wood as the generic organic will effectively change the weightings of the other ingredients to 37.5%OQ 37.5%PE 25%FL. If you use oats with 950 across the board, the other ingredients would still be weighted as 50%OQ 30%PE 20%FL. Not a huge difference, but there is a difference in the case of the original poster's listed meat (500ish PE as I recall).
awesome advice peepz and thanx for pointing out the tissue calc too ... finding all it helpfull
7's have got to be very diffucult to create. i can obviously see why chefs would only want to be supplied w/ 7's, but i just hope they will settle for 6's or even 5's during rough times
tuffy
LuCha wrote:
Just to add another 2cr here...
If you use very high oq wood in the organic slot, the PE & FL for your other resources become that much more important. If you have a choice of meat with hi OQ & mid range FL/PE vs mid range OQ and hi FL/PE, the second choice is better. Check it out in the calculator and you'll see what I mean. The hi OQ in the wood will cover your weakness in the meat, but there is nothing to help you with low FL/PE.
Actually, when you use wood the OQ and PE of your meat and florahave exactly the same weighting (37.5%) with the FL being the other 25%. Any 2 meats (or floras) with OQ + PE of 1950 will only be differentiated by their FL. The following4 meats are identical for making MNS with wood:
Meat1: OQ1000 PE700 FL700
Meat2: OQ900 PE800 FL700
Meat3: OQ800 PE900 FL700
TuffyLess wrote:
awesome advice peepz and thanx for pointing out the tissue calc too ... finding all it helpfull
7's have got to be very diffucult to create. i can obviously see why chefs would only want to be supplied w/ 7's, but i just hope they will settle for 6's or even 5's during rough times
tuffy
5s and 6s will sell if priced well. However, 7s aren't really all that hard to create. You only need ingredients able to be experimented to 90% to get 7s. every 3.333% experimentation will give you 1 point in the final product and MNS start with 30 points. When I respec'd into BE, a friend wanted these tissues and gave me the tip about using wood. I watched the relative spawns like a hawk and within 1 month, I was able to make 7s (perhaps even sooner, I don't remember exactly).
For reference, these are the ingredients I am using today to make MNS57:
Wood (Igile): OQ965 (I have a ton of the current OQ993 wood, but it wont quite get me to 58, so I am saving it)
Flora (Eigo): OQ734 PE995 FL958
Meat (Vorqiem): OQ897 PE837 FL940
All of the above have spawned since the CU on Flurry (plus at least 1 other example that can be used to make 7s).
Keep at it, you will get there...
If you use very high oq wood in the organic slot, the PE & FL for your other resources become that much more important. If you have a choice of meat with hi OQ & mid range FL/PE vs mid range OQ and hi FL/PE, the second choice is better. Check it out in the calculator and you'll see what I mean. The hi OQ in the wood will cover your weakness in the meat, but there is nothing to help you with low FL/PE.