Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: New Patch, some nice features, but same used car.....
hello, my fellow bio engineers.
this forum thread is here for me to unload at how utterly half a$$ed the bio engineer profession is put in the game. 
I do love it, but since this new patch. it seems nicer, but. more problems have occured and come up......
I once compared being a bio engineer to buying a used car from a slick sales man. he shows you the nice wheels, the great new paint job. but forgets to mention that it is on fire....
this is the problem.skill points.....to get that dna, you need to be a ranger and bio engineer to get close neough to sample anything high enough. to sell the critter you have to find someone on the sidewalk, or, be a merchant and bio engineer, to train the creature, you have to be a creature handler and bio engineer. for the mods, to make them into clothing, you have to be a tailor and BE, to sell them, yada yada, and so on.
This new patch that is out, gives the bio engineer the ability to make pets, with dna, and retain the properties of the sampled animal. namely, special attacks, resistances, ham, damage, and such.
welp. now for the fire. how to get this dna.
previously you could get junk dna from any animal, and make any animal. namely, from coriellan butterflies you could make a rancor with less then perfect, but still okay, ham and damage, but, to make an exceptional rancor, you had to dna sample a creature with a higher difficulty rating and get a three good quality samples. one for each ham bar. the other two just had to be good quality, but didn't matter on it's difficulty level. you could make rancors with pretty good damage, pretty good ham, you couldn't make exceptional ones. becuase the experimentation phases where completely messed up. welp, instead of fixing what was wrong. they just gave it a new coat of paint, and called it used.
now. if you want to make an animal, you still need dna, but it has changed slightly, . i can make a gnort with 9k ham..... basically all the animals now are skins. and the dna is the heart of the animal if I get dna from rancors,(i wish I could) but if i did, i could make a gnort, or cu pa with a level of 40 and 9k or 8k or something high k of ham. normally a cu pa is level 6 and has 600 ham. . great dna, makes great high dna critters. which it always has been. but, the one problem that is now. that no one except non-ch people will want anything but, level 60 9k ham critters. and, to get that high level dna you have to go out into the middle of no where and dna sample something bigger then you are. you can't get close enough to the creatures to sample thier dna without being a ranger....I died three times, without getting a single dna sample. level 114 mask scent, and level 89 enraged bull rancors still saw me, heck, biz natches detected me, i think they are level 20. and. even regular rancors, and gnarled rancors, levels 50. abouts. deteced me.....FIX IT PLEASE.........now. i could drop creature handler, and pick up ranger, and get close enough to get great dna samples, and not be able to use or train the pets I make, and just make them. how about, sony hire me as a support character, they pay me 15 dollars a month. i play the game and build pets. for the people who pay 15 bucks a month. becuase I wouldn't be having fun. i want to build myself some pets, use them as a mch. make them as a mbe, and still be able to use a rifle decently. but, I can't, because I can't use ah rifle becuase I had to give it up for artisan to servey for resources for my skill mods for tailors. and my pet meds for ch's.
i purpose this, give the bio engineer mask scent skill mods under the dna sampling tree. tha twould help a lot. and fix the effectiveness of mask scent. and the other thousand and two bugs with it. like, mounted, or riding a vehicle. I should be able to without any difficulty spray a little bottle of chemcial scent masking stuff on myself with no trouble, while I am walking/driving/mounted, riding, dancing on my head........ I have 114 mask scent with my mods, why does a level 20 biz natch detect me? with level 300 mask scent I should be able to pet krayt dragons, but krettles detect me. (i wish I had level 300 mask scent) and I get agroed for no reason, with my mask scent on. and i don't get detected, becuase my mask scent hasn't droped. mask scent is camo. but, not active. so don't have it drop when detected.
now, the levels of created pets. I can use junk dna on a kimogila, which will turn out to have level 10, 1k ham. but still be level 40. why? i would like it to be such that, if i make a kimogila out of cu pa dna. then it should basically be, cupa kimo. and be level 10. 800 ham, and I should be able to sell it to a non-ch. but, alas it's a usless level 40. with 800 ham and 100 damage.
we like that the BE is finally gettign some attention, but..... HELP..... I became a mBE and MCH to whip out a 16k ham, 1000 damage kimogila and through the fear of death into the enemy..... and, I know creature handlers could do this, becuase I remember a few times in the dark forces games, where you had to kill a pet krayt dragon...... HELP.....
signed a very dead.... incaped, slain, cloned, travel, incaped, slain, cloned, travel, incaped, slain, cloned, forumed......... Doshi da'Vinci on server Radiant. a proud MBE almost MCH and failing rifleman, novice artisan. as a member of the orphaned redheaded stepchilded named nerf that is the bio engineer.
they nerfed ch to make it more dependant on other professions, it's not to make BEs independant.
but one point should be submitted to devs is the mask scent into the DNA tree, cause no one else can go sample for us, and we should have the choice for at least one secondary profession to master, and if you want to get bull rancor's dna, you HAVE to be a ranger, just to be ABLE to do it, so the secondary profession is a ghost profession for those who want to sample high-end DNA.
I'm with you on that point.
Just to clear this up for people, mask scent maxes out at Master Scout, so get some clothing and Wilderness IV (or whatever mask scent is in) and you have full mask scent.
Now being a ranger as well as BE, I can make camo kits for the different planets, which makes me even harder to detect, I can also use them on other people. I don't know if I just need to give someone the kit, or if I have to use it on them (Never needed to use them), but if any BE's are on eclipse and fancy trying them out, send me a tell 
So mask scent isn't that much of an issue. I've got the next two weeks off, so I'll check out how good the camo kits are and the restrictions. If anyone fancies coming along for the ride, send me a /tell or in game email.
I have Exploration 4 and some clothing(stacks to +103, but believe there is a +25 cap and the extra 8 points over 95 don't actually do anything). Hence lesstotal Mask Scent than a Master Scout.
I've not died once.. not once.. in the two evenings since patch, five hours out a night on adventure planets constantly sampling. Albeit I have been incapacitated a few times, by a Bull Rancor once and a Stone Hanadak a few times(medium armor and so many 90%-100% resists, the greedy side of me kept making me try again once I got back up.. wish I could tell for sure, wager it is over lvl 75 though!).
I have half a backpack full of Bull Rancor DNA to show for my efforts. Caution and patience is the watchword. If mask breaks, don't move. Wait and refresh it. Unless the creature is literally at your feet, it is very unlikely you'll be attacked provided you don't move once the mask breaks. I've found some creatures CAN break maskeven when within their normal detection/agro range. Bull Rancor is one of these. If it breaks, and you're within 25m, run. It probably helps that I am constantly hopped up onthe Neutron Pixie.. my lack of dying being a testament to the greatness of our smuggler friend's merchandise(PS devs, fix chefs please!). If beyond 25m, odds are you can make like a statue and refresh the mask once you are able to. Lastly.. walk DON'T RUN when entering a creature's agro range(varies from critter to critter, you'll get a feel forthe range'squickly). Better yet, go prone and crawl to enter aggro range - I've never once been detected by Bull Rancors(or their higher lvl friends)while masked and crawling. Get within 15m, start sampling. It's slow, it's not very macho and it works.
I'm not saying you won't die - I know I've just been lucky, especially with the rancors specifically(gaping spider queens were pretty hazardous for me too, but that was due to spawn density) and my time is coming when a rancor is going to step on me. Still, it's far from hopeless.. just be inventive, get insurance, pack light and just bring the clothes on your back plus a crafting tool.
Cheers!
Just an Idea, make friends with a ranger and hire then to track and camo you to find your dna samples. It works great, hell they can even hunt while they are out with you and then you can buy the meat from them. Do thesame with a merchant, sell them your pets andproducts, become a Manufactureer, let someone else worry about retail. This is supposed to be a group environment, not I am all powerful and want to do everything by myself.I know itsgreat to do as much by yourself as you can, but get over it, you can't do everything...
Just my opinion.
apextorgo
BE/CH
I don't know about mutant rancor, but I have only 70 mask scent and I can get close enough to sample 45 + creatures. If you can get close enough to tame them, you can et close enough to sample. I was on endor after the patch, and I was novice BE, master ch, and I was trying to sample merek avengers. I didn't even have dna sampling 1 yet so I didn't get any samples, but I didn't die from breaking scent either. and I can sneak up and tame lvlv 50 rancors with only a 70 mask scent. Sampling is just like taming, it takes patience. If mask breaks you just have to wait and keep trying.
If I can do all that at 70 mask scent, if you master scout or buy some clothes like people on this thread have sugested you will be fine .
Yes, BE does have a 'Shadow Requirement', but it's Exploration in Scout, not Master Ranger. Yes BE is very expensive for a crafting class, but it's just become fun again. Yes, BE's do make things almost entirely to help other people (enhancers foor food and clothes, pets for CH's to use/sell/give away, meds for pets), so if you're not into that, you're not going to be happy. If you're ok with that, though, temporarily buy Artisan and Business 3 (I went up a little in Merchant, 'cause it's easy), get your vendor (or vendors), place them, and then drop the tree entirely. When I did it, I dropped Exploration and DNA Sampling 4, as well as a couple other things (I went into Merchant), 'cause I had hit the xp cap for those two trees -- I was able to buy the skills back immediately upon dropping Merchant+Artisan:Business.
1 Person with Mscout and MBE
1 Person with 0-0-3-0 Ranger (for tracking) with medic skills and MCH.
Its a great team, I've been out with my MBE going for Mutant rancors and all the other high end pets. We can sit in the middle of Enraged Bull Rancors (lvl 89) and still not get noticed
but ye can't sample the **edit** things sniff. If rancors do see my MBE and start chasing him, I gtab my landspeeder and try to get their attention (madness) and it works The key here is to WORK AS A TEAM, don't have too many, 2 will do.. the more there is of you.. the better chance you have of dying
Ohh and a tip here:
Crawl when going for Mutant Rancors, they are in groups of 5-7 and if they see you walking towards em.. they will KILL each other (better than getting probed I guess LOL)
this is the problem.skill points.....to get that dna, you need to be a ranger and bio engineer to get close neough to sample anything high enough. to sell the critter you have to find someone on the sidewalk, or, be a merchant and bio engineer, to train the creature, you have to be a creature handler and bio engineer. for the mods, to make them into clothing, you have to be a tailor and BE, to sell them, yada yada, and so on.
No.. that is called interdependance. It's the basis for ANY economy and there is no other profession in the game which is capable of doing anything totally by themselves. Even an entertainer needs an tailor to make their clothing and a medic to top up their action bars. I can agree that you need maskscent to sample from the majority of high end mobs, however you certainly don't need ranger or even master scout.
you can't get close enough to the creatures to sample thier dna without being a ranger....I died three times, without getting a single dna sample. level 114 mask scent, and level 89 enraged bull rancors still saw me, heck, biz natches detected me, i think they are level 20. and. even regular rancors, and gnarled rancors, levels 50. abouts. deteced me.....FIX IT PLEASE.........
Oh yeah, thats really a rational way to address this issue. Screaming. Nice one. The fact is that if you have explore 4 then you can actually walk around CL55 critters without any issues, sure it'll break from time to time but thats possible to happen even with lower level mobs. Walking up to groups increases the risk even more so. Even at explore 4 you can crawl over to CL75 rancor and find it doesn't break. I think you need to stop with this knee jerk reaction to something you haven't actually had much experience with doing.
I should be able to pet krayt dragons, but krettles detect me.
This is what i mean by you don't know what your on about, not even a master ranger with conceal can crawl up to a krayt dragon. The maskscents and conceals only work up to around CL130 typically if you crouch down as well.
I'll tell you what would be a very easy solution here that doesn't break with the interdependance issue. Allow the BE to make blood sampling tools. You can then sell these to anyone who wants them and they can use them to take blood samples from animals in much the way we take dna. They then bring the useless blood samples to you which you then extract dna from directly. Thus meaning that you have a new means for people to gain cash plus bio-engineers can be supplied by people such as rangers, BHs or master scouts.
and well, it seems that everyone takes me a little too seriously, so, i was stressing, i guess i should of used underlined. or, something. well, i would like some stuff to come out that i can do by myself sometime, you know, something that i don't have to get a group of 20, together to do. like the corvette mission. you need a big group to do it. or well, an atst. (i know, i know, one atst and the one owner can't do it alone) but, that's not the point. i'm a mch and mbe, and since they nerfed ch, welp, there is little to do in the game, without a big group. and then i am target practice, or a novice medic who can't heal much. and, tailors, don't terribly need our mods, nor do chefs, becuase, their customers don't terribly need them. the tka, the mdoc, etc, not that i can place a harvester effectively, or affordably get resources, becuase i can't pick up artisan, without lossing the little combat skills i have, sigh, i don't want chef and tailor dependent on us. but. sigh, forget it, no matter how much i try to explain it, someone will post on here, hello mr idiot, your comment about such and such was so wrong, go back to your hole, newb. i'm not prepared to do that. (i realize that is extreme, but, just an extreme example) 15k ham, 1k damage. a kimogila. sigh, but alas, that is no longer a reality, the best you can do, is 12k, and 500 damage, if that, still might go over 70. we do not make kimogilas. we make rancors in kimogila skins, thanks, some of you, where alright talking on your posts. thank you for such. others, well. sigh, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, a bunch. i'm going to go hit myself in the head with a rock that is heavier then i can pick up, (it's a metaphor), i'm not actually going to do it, becuase it's rather impossible, or improbbable, ah, fudge it. i don't care anymore, i'm going to go do it becuase i realize it was futile gesture, that's why the beginning of this thread was, i do this just so i can vent, and well, it seems that everyone takes me a little too seriously, so, i was stressing, i guess i should of used underlined. or, something. well, i would like some stuff to come out that i can do by myself sometime, you know, something that i don't have to get a group of 20, together to do. like the corvette mission. you need a big group to do it. or well, an atst. (i know, i know, one atst and the one owner can't do it alone) but, that's not the point. i'm a mch and mbe, and since they nerfed ch, welp, there is little to do in the game, without a big group. and then i am target practice, or a novice medic who can't heal much. and, tailors, don't terribly need our mods, nor do chefs, becuase, their customers don't terribly need them. the tka, the mdoc, etc, not that i can place a harvester effectively, or affordably get resources, becuase i can't pick up artisan, without lossing the little combat skills i have, sigh, i don't want chef and tailor dependent on us. but. sigh, forget it, no matter how much i try to explain it, someone will post on here, hello mr idiot, your comment about such and such was so wrong, go back to your hole, newb. i'm not prepared to do that. (i realize that is extreme, but, just an extreme example) 15k ham, 1k damage. a kimogila. sigh, but alas, that is no longer a reality, the best you can do, is 12k, and 500 damage, if that, still might go over 70. we do not make kimogilas. we make rancors in kimogila skins, thanks, some of you, where alright talking on your posts. thank you for such. others, well. sigh, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, a bunch. i'm going to go hit myself in the head with a rock that is heavier then i can pick up, (it's a metaphor), i'm not actually going to do it, becuase it's rather impossible, or improbbable, ah, fudge it. i don't care anymore, i'm going to go do it becuase i realize it was futile gesture, that's why the beginning of this thread was, i do this just so i can vent, gills going to get it now, (no i'm not gill, it's a qoute)