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Thread: Bio-Engineer's Potential

darkmeh
Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:19 pm
#1


Have you heard rumors sayingplayers havenot yet "tapped into BE's full potential" scattered accross the forums? One particular post I remember stated heavy armor could even be possible. Of course, it was just an average player, so I couldn't be sure. But, because I've heard strange rumors in the past, I thought it could be possible...


Recently, I started ome simple tests. I decided to look to see if there was something more, and I figured if I found nothing, at least I would have a better grasp of the entire BE profession as we know it. Well, while I was testing, I came accross something that could prove these rumors true. You may think me crazy, and I can't blame you if you do, but i have reasons to believe that:



  • 60% is NOT the cap on kinetic/energy

  • Light armor is NOT the maximum armor rating on a player-controlable pet

  • Area creature specials are NOT impossible to pass through

And for all I know, things we haven't even thought of may be possible to modify. Upon my discovery, I was quite excited. I'm not going to disclose any specific information regarding my tests or expirements; I merely suggest that there MAY be more out there, and I have a strong feeling that it is possible. Of course,I could be wrong and only few, if any, ofthe above listed possibilities will turn outtobe true, butit's something to work toward.


In the event that I create something that supports these rumors, I will post pictures here.This will take some more research, testing,expirementing and time, but in theend, I believe it will beworth it.


Discuss.

Message Edited by darkmeh on 03-03-2005 09:21 PM



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LloydPickering
Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:59 am
#2

If you have proof...prove it...but until then, I shall believe the MASSES of evidence that say that in theory AR >1 is possible, but in practice not possible, that Kin/NRG caps at 60% and that area specials son't come through.

You can't just say that you found something and are not going to release evidence...



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darkmeh
Fri Mar 04, 2005 4:24 am
#3



I didn't say I wasn't going to release evidence. When I create a creature that proves this, then I will post it.


I dunno, I guess I'm just excited about this and decided to post here. I don't expect many to believe me,but I do hope that at least someone does and that they try to discover it too. I don't want to explain how it's done, as it takes the fun from finding it on your own. But I guess I'm upsetting some people when I try to do this.


What I can do is post proof that I know what I'm doing and that I'm not some random guy trying to round up some trouble on the forums. I'm serious about theBE profession and I enjoyhaving it. I'm not trying to show off or anything when I post this, but I want to encourage someone to try exploring BE a bit further, for I believe there is more. Clicky





T Kite' T
Neither Jedi nor Sith...
Simply Cancelled
(nnnnsnn.ggggggggggggggggg)
And so I leave with a post count of perfect vision...




Halthron
Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:01 am
#4

Part of the problem was the speculation without any info. There are a number of people here that would be glad to help if you have a good indicator that something is indeed possible but speculation without info kind of goes down the wrong way
droidekasnightmare
Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:09 am
#5

Bloody hell! *stares at clicky dewie* How many gens did that take?

Nifty damage tho ^^Although doesn't the all vouln thing eat stims like crazy?





They wanted the fish back. How mean! =((
darkmeh
Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:13 am
#6

He's not the tank. And two.



T Kite' T
Neither Jedi nor Sith...
Simply Cancelled
(nnnnsnn.ggggggggggggggggg)
And so I leave with a post count of perfect vision...




droidekasnightmare
Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:18 am
#7



darkmeh wrote:
He's not the tank. And two.





Coolness, and I didn't assume that he was the tank, no kin resists after all, what I meant was, doesn't he get hurt a lot with the voulns?





They wanted the fish back. How mean! =((
darkmeh
Fri Mar 04, 2005 5:25 am
#8






Halthron wrote:

Part of the problem was the speculation without any info. There are a number of people here that would be glad to help if you have a good indicator that something is indeed possible but speculation without info kind of goes down the wrong way







It's not that I need help. I'm already making the pet, it's just going to take some time, and I'm confident in where it's going. All I want to do here is encourage some to explore BE a bit deeper as I have to see what's possible on their own, as I believe finding things on your own is much more fun than having the information just given to you.


Basically, I'm trying to convince a group of highly intelligent people to set aside logic for a moment and ignore what they've been taught to be true and attempt to create creatures that go against all that has been believed to be in order to once again expierience the excitement of discovery. I know it sounds stupid, andit probably is, butit's worth a try....right?


I guess in my attempt to promote fun, I've caused frustration. A wasted effort, I suppose. Perhaps I posted this a bit too soon, but finding new things in this profession gets me so giddy.




T Kite' T
Neither Jedi nor Sith...
Simply Cancelled
(nnnnsnn.ggggggggggggggggg)
And so I leave with a post count of perfect vision...




LloydPickering
Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:01 am
#9

the reason we all jumped on you was because you were claiming that established boundaries were incorrect, and you posted no evidence...



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Zadokk
Fri Mar 04, 2005 6:18 am
#10






LloydPickering wrote:
the reason we all jumped on you was because you were claiming that established boundaries were incorrect, and you posted no evidence...





No one believed you because we can very easily falsify your evidence. If you can verify your evidence then perhaps we will believe that it is possible - although I have to stress that verification through bugs or exploits does not necessary constitute evidence. Agreed the TC episode with the Ancient Bull Rancor is evidence to suggest that medium armour is possible - it was conducted in an environment that is designed to be buggy. Seeing is believing - am at college so I can't see the contents of that clicky (some crazy web filters) - but I will check it when I get home and adjust my comments accordingly.
droid327
Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:13 am
#11

Its just that level 6 dewwie with 510-520 damage and vulns to all, I'm sure you'll recognize it when you see it.

And its not that impressive a result, its just MDH MDH X Y MDH (or MDH X Y Z MDH) where X and Y are low level DNA that have vulns to everything between the two of them. Probably no experiment, or just max psych on both gens.



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Zadokk
Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:02 pm
#12






darkmeh wrote:


Have you heard rumors sayingplayers havenot yet "tapped into BE's full potential" scattered accross the forums? One particular post I remember stated heavy armor could even be possible. Of course, it was just an average player, so I couldn't be sure. But, because I've heard strange rumors in the past, I thought it could be possible...


Recently, I started ome simple tests. I decided to look to see if there was something more, and I figured if I found nothing, at least I would have a better grasp of the entire BE profession as we know it. Well, while I was testing, I came accross something that could prove these rumors true. You may think me crazy, and I can't blame you if you do, but i have reasons to believe that:



  • 60% is NOT the cap on kinetic/energy

  • Light armor is NOT the maximum armor rating on a player-controlable pet

  • Area creature specials are NOT impossible to pass through

And for all I know, things we haven't even thought of may be possible to modify. Upon my discovery, I was quite excited. I'm not going to disclose any specific information regarding my tests or expirements; I merely suggest that there MAY be more out there, and I have a strong feeling that it is possible. Of course,I could be wrong and only few, if any, ofthe above listed possibilities will turn outtobe true, butit's something to work toward.


In the event that I create something that supports these rumors, I will post pictures here.This will take some more research, testing,expirementing and time, but in theend, I believe it will beworth it.


Discuss.


Message Edited by darkmeh on 03-03-2005 09:21 PM




You make it sound like there is some great conspiracy going on ... /whistle


Lets be serious here, a lot of the threads that say this are really out of date. When I was doing research for the research thread I came across many threads that claimed to have push through an area special - however, not one of them provided a screenshot nor a method that may prove this correct. I feel that the only way to get these things (i.e. break cap, get heavy armour or an area special) are through bugs. We have seen on the TC with lammer and Arthur who have Medium armour samples that all stats cap at 1000. If this is true then it would be true of anything higher than it. The scary thing is, is that anything higher than
this would also cap at 1000 - which to me suggests that the game is not intended for it.


furrycat
Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:57 pm
#13

> 60% is NOT the cap on kinetic/energy

There are tried and test formulae which give accurate results to within one or two percentage points for all stats you throw at them. More often than not they are dead on. And every single time these formulae predict a kinetic or energy value above 60% the template comes out at exactly 60%.

These values are capped.

> Light armor is NOT the maximum armor rating on a player-controlable pet

Already proven, as noted above by Zadokk.

> Area creature specials are NOT impossible to pass through

Let's see one then.

> I'm not going to disclose any specific information regarding my tests or expirements

Then I won't believe your results.




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