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Thread: New pets made, wondering if I can get some feedback from the pros
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Nahualli
Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:16 am
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I posted this on my server's board but I wanted to run it by this crowd for some feedback.
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I'd appreciate some feedback about how good/bad of a pet these are.
I've been a BE for quite some time but I've never gotten into pets.. seemed too confusing. Well I tried to make some and I was right. It is confusing. I didn't understand any of the formulas too well but here's what I am able to come up with.
1. Narglatch lvl 26 7032/8504/8612 HAM attack speed 2.16 dmg 270-280 Kinetic Resist 10
2. Razor Cat lvl 30 9294/9832/8971 HAM attack speed 2.15 dmg 240-250 Kinetic Resist 34
3. Graul lvl 27 9994/10119/9940 HAM attack speed 2.16 dmg 250-260 kinetic Resist 35
There were other resistances there but they were fairly low. Kinetic was the only one that came out high(er) for some reason. All have no armor and all are vulnerable to stun.
Oh well, there you have it.. I might post it to the BE boards but I'm afraid of getting chewed up and spit back out. I know that what's considered the best to a class is often not what's most practical to the regular PvE or PvP player so I thought I would ask here first.
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Now for the BE community : I'm absolutely terrified of Dathomir, so the most dangerous place I hunt on is Endor. (As a BE/Scout/Pistoleer I have just enough offensive and defensive capability to scream like a little girl when something aggros on me.) However I did manage to sample several animals. Lvl 50 arachne warriors and webmasters, mostly altho I did hit a few merek avengers and bull robas as well. I was only using Very High Quality DNA samples. The resources I used were the current crop of Talus carnivore meat and Endor berries. (both have several 900+ stats)
Any feedback would be appreciatedaltho from what I understand many of the aspects of pets are totally random and the best you can do is pray.
-Nah-
Akelan
Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:53 am
#2
It looks like you're on the right general track, but you have not yet gotten the idea of trading a vulnerability in a resist you do not need for an improvement in a stat that you do want. I would work with the formula from the FAQ and get a clearer picture of how the resists are managed in combines, as you look to be experimenting with widely different DNA types and not always selecting the slots that will do the most for you. I actually wrote a program that does the "template combine" following the formulas that some very good people here researched, and set it up to highlight the portions of each DNA slot that will make the biggest effect on the end result.
For resists, the formula is pretty easy, and the same formula works for the hardiness/fortitude pair as well.
Physique * .4 + Prowess * .25 + Mental * .05 + Psychological * .05 + Agression * .25
If you follow this, you will understand that putting a high resist to Kinetic in slot 1 will have the biggest effect on the outcome, and a low resist in slot 3 or 4 will have less of an impact on the final result. Vulnerabilities should be figured as a -99 for the formula, so you can see that a vulnerability to any resists that is used in slot 1, 2 or 5 almost always will result in a vulnerability in the final result.
At the level of the creatures you described, a master BE would almost undoubtedly have light armor and high kinetic on a pet designed for PvE, trading off some speed or to-hit percentage and vulnerabilities to attacks not commonly encountered in PvE. A "Damage" pet would have lower HAM, probably no armor, but damage in the 450 - 500 range with a speed well under 2.0 and a to-hit over .35 to .4 at a similar CL.
You are off to a good start just from general experimenting, but you'll profit greatly from looking at the FAQ again and trying the formulas a few times at least, to get a better understanding of what to do with what samples.
SWGCreatures has a fantastic page with a java app that allows you to do some virtual combines, and even select the dna stats they have stored from different creatures, so you can "practice" there without having to do the actual combines. Spend an evening "offline" from the game, but playing virtual BE there, and you will really learn a lot. I can almost guarantee that your pets will be significantly better the very next day.
As a start, try playing with Merek Harvester, Delerious Merek Avenger, Bark Mite Burrower and BMB Queen, and a few of the arachne types; those are quite often used in making good PvE pets because of specific characteristics in their DNA profiles, and you will get a good view of what you can do.
LLan
Nahualli
Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:21 am
#3
Wow, thank you for the feedback, it looks like I have some reading to do 
-Nah-
ArthurDentOnBria
Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:10 am
#4
Endor is certainly my favorite place to get dna. I probably get around 75% of my dna there. Combat skills I don't really see as a benefit when getting dna. My attitude has always kinda been: if you can kill what you're sampling, maybe you shouldn't be sampling it, lol.
Also, I wouldn't sweat the quality of dna samples or the quality of meat and flora that you use. The quality of meat and flora makes no difference, so use grind quality stuff. The quality of dna samples seems to do only 2 things, it reflects small incrimental differences in the stat values, and affects the likelihood that specials will stick. So to me (and I know others have a different strategy) I only care about the quality of the samples in the aggression slot, and only in cases where I'm trying carefully to make the specials stick from that slot. Otherwise the quality of samples, normally, is not going to make a very noticeable difference in the end result of your pets.
Also, the results you get are a lot less random then you think, once you understand what is going on.
Nahualli wrote:
Now for the BE community : I'm absolutely terrified of Dathomir, so the most dangerous place I hunt on is Endor. (As a BE/Scout/Pistoleer I have just enough offensive and defensive capability to scream like a little girl when something aggros on me.) However I did manage to sample several animals. Lvl 50 arachne warriors and webmasters, mostly altho I did hit a few merek avengers and bull robas as well. I was only using Very High Quality DNA samples. The resources I used were the current crop of Talus carnivore meat and Endor berries. (both have several 900+ stats)
Any feedback would be appreciatedaltho from what I understand many of the aspects of pets are totally random and the best you can do is pray.
-Nah-
Kevm
Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:32 am
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Nahualli wrote:
The resources I used were the current crop of Talus carnivore meat and Endor berries. (both have several 900+ stats)
I wont repeat the very good advice you've been given already, but I wanted to comment on your use of resources. The quality of the flora and meat you use during clone creation has no affect on the outcome of the clone. Since you've said you are just starting to make pets, I assume you are doing other things with BE (additives, tissues, etc), so don't waste your good resources on pets. Use them on something where they matter.
Nahualli
Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:41 am
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Kevm wrote:
Nahualli wrote:
The resources I used were the current crop of Talus carnivore meat and Endor berries. (both have several 900+ stats)
I wont repeat the very good advice you've been given already, but I wanted to comment on your use of resources. The quality of the flora and meat you use during clone creation has no affect on the outcome of the clone. Since you've said you are just starting to make pets, I assume you are doing other things with BE (additives, tissues, etc), so don't waste your good resources on pets. Use them on something where they matter.
I appreciate that tips.. that's a pretty significant tip !
-Nah-
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