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Thread: Has the calculation of BE Nutrients changed in regards to wood?
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JOEFNERAT
Mon Jan 10, 2005 2:34 pm
#1
Recently I have noticed a difference in my schematics when I use wood. Instead of going up in quality, it actually goes down. I thought that maybe my wood OQ was too low (915) so I found some OQ 959 wood, but the same result occured. Heres the materials I used:
Broad Spectrum Nutrients
Nutrient Base: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Vitamin Enhancers: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Chemical Enhancers: FL 862 PE 432 OQ 994 - Meat
Result: 86
Nutrient Base:OQ 959 - Wood
Vitamin Enhancers: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Chemical Enhancers: FL 862 PE 432 OQ 994 - Meat
Result: 85
Has this been happening with anyone else?
Broad Spectrum Nutrients
Nutrient Base: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Vitamin Enhancers: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Chemical Enhancers: FL 862 PE 432 OQ 994 - Meat
Result: 86
Nutrient Base:OQ 959 - Wood
Vitamin Enhancers: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Chemical Enhancers: FL 862 PE 432 OQ 994 - Meat
Result: 85
Has this been happening with anyone else?
Message Edited by JOEFNERAT on 01-10-2005 03:35 PM
droid327
Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:48 pm
#2
JOEFNERAT wrote:
Recently I have noticed a difference in my schematics when I use wood. Instead of going up in quality, it actually goes down. I thought that maybe my wood OQ was too low (915) so I found some OQ 959 wood, but the same result occured. Heres the materials I used:
Broad Spectrum Nutrients
Nutrient Base: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Vitamin Enhancers: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Chemical Enhancers: FL 862 PE 432 OQ 994 - Meat
Result: 86
Nutrient Base:OQ 959 - Wood
Vitamin Enhancers: FL 817 PE 929 OQ 926 - Flora
Chemical Enhancers: FL 862 PE 432 OQ 994 - Meat
Result: 85
Has this been happening with anyone else?
Message Edited by JOEFNERAT on 01-10-2005 03:35 PM
The problem is the PE on your meat is too low - what wood does is weigh the PE/FL of your flora/meat higher and their OQ lower. Since your wood isnt upping your average PE, that low value is dragging you down even more, thats why you're getting worse results, even though your average OQ goes up.
Zadokk
Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:53 pm
#3
Yeah you only use wood if the flora you have is worse than the meat tbh. Hmm that sounds odd. You have to look at it this way: high OQ wood is only good if flora wont raise the other stats more. PE/FL may have a lower weighting than OQ but its still important.
droid327
Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:57 pm
#4
well no thats not entirely accurate - you want to use wood if your flora and meat have better PE and FL than they do OQ. Like if you got a couple shifts of 700 OQ 900 PE 800 FL meat/flora and some 1000 OQ wood, the wood would help balance out the low OQ stuff. Conversely, if you got 900 OQ 800 PE 700 FL meat/flora, the 1000 OQ wood isnt going to bring the OQ up much more, but it will drag down the PE and FL average ratings
ultimately, just use swgcreatures.com's tissue calc - if it comes out better one way, go with it =) I often find it will end up the same result with flora or wood in the organic slot - a high 86 is the same as a low 86 in the end, and using wood helps you stretch your flora out longer, though meat is always gonna be your gate.
Zadokk
Mon Jan 10, 2005 4:00 pm
#5
droid327 wrote:
well no thats not entirely accurate - you want to use wood if your flora and meat have better PE and FL than they do OQ. Like if you got a couple shifts of 700 OQ 900 PE 800 FL meat/flora and some 1000 OQ wood, the wood would help balance out the low OQ stuff.
Well thats true but why would you want to use 700 OQ meat?
I was lucky because during my short additives run (code name "Get Zadokk rich so he can afford to go back into PvP") there were 3 decent dantooine carnivore meat spawns and as a speed capped rifleman, it really wasnt that difficult to get meat Could get about 25-30k per buff session if I recall properly.
Physkoris
Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:34 pm
#6
I've found that PE can be extremely important in crafting, sometimes more than OQ, just for the simple fact that it can't be raised by wood. However, I just hate to use flora that is good in 3 stats for both requirements in BSN's because it's much harder to find than high OQ wood. Usually I just bite the bullet and use the wood knowing that the overall quality will be slightly worse. But in the long run I'll be able to make more additives.
Physkoris
Mon Jan 10, 2005 8:39 pm
#7
And just to add:
Overall PE with 1st recipe: 763
Overall PE with 2nd recipe: 680
By using the wood you are only gaining about 10 points in OQ,gaining about 10 points in Flavor, but losing 83 in PE.
LloydPickering
Wed Jan 12, 2005 4:40 pm
#8
There was a Dath Carn spawn a while back on Chimaera that was somehting like OQ/PE/FL 700/900/900.
Because of the relatively low OQ it didn't sell well, so I got tons of it fora fairly cheap price in comparison to other dath carn spawns around the same time, I then used it with some high OQ wood, and some very good flora, and It would make me +57/87/117.I was gettingbetter resultsusing woodthanusing2x flora and the meat. (not to mention the wood was cheaper than the flora)
Its really a case a balancing out the stats to get the highest weighted avg. you can. We often think that OQ is the most important stat, when in actal fact it may not be. It is just the most heavily weighted stat.
In fact scrap that last statement, even though its correct... Chef tissues are all about getting the highest value you can for the most economical price. This may mean using wood, it may mean using flora.
Nerfing
Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:42 pm
#9
For what i read here the most important thing in wood are the OQ, how about the DR are?
Zadokk
Thu Jan 13, 2005 5:17 am
#11
not only that but read the schematics in game, only thing that matters is OQ/PE/FL.
droid327 wrote:
umm.....read the FAQ, DR is meaningless to BEs
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