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Thread: Question....

EnalaMasterDE
Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:30 am
#66

ok, i'm a Master AS on one of my accounts and smuggler 4xxx, and was wondering, how do i buy faction armour schems? i have looked under the radial dials, but i dont get the option to 'requisite' any armour schematics that i can buy and use to make faction armour with....can anyone help me out here...i could be acting like a right donut atm...but i have a valid excuse of being hungover



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dlc3007
Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:40 am
#67

See everyone? Here's a question I'm not flaming because it is a valid question -- even though it is from a jedi.


Sadly, I have no idea what the answer is so I'm not being terribly helpful either. At least I'm providing a bump so someone else can answer.





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apprentice_of_eld
Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:45 am
#68

I'm not sure what you meant by "looking under the radial dials" but here is how i think it goes.



click on the recruiter and choose to converse. Find the option that says "what items are available for requisition." choose the text option that says I'm a crafter/I like to craft or whatever. See if the schems are available there?



If that's what you were already doing, then I don't have a clue. sorry





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EnalaMasterDE
Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:52 pm
#69

a friend of mine recently gave me 10 identical NS layers with +20 health enhancer (looted pre-cu) ...are these worth anythin and are they good to use in my armour crafting?



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Meplorium
Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:55 pm
#70

Those are excellent health enhancers, should be worth something.



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pykescylla
Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:33 am
#71

Well, they should have a bit of information in the description. They are health enhancers for battle armor. They go in the segments, and they add a bonus to your health bar, which can go up to +50 per armor piece or +350 per suit. Enhancers can be a bit difficult to use. Thula describes the process in her loot guide in the stickies.

Let me see if I can sum up. The health bonus you apply to each segment stacks with the bonus on any other segments in the core. If you enhance only one segment with those layers, the core will have a +15 bonus. Enhance two and you get +30. And so on. You could get some cheap enhancers, like voritor scales, and play around with this using arm pieces, which only require one core so you can do it all by hand.

Now the tricky part comes when you want to enhance multicore pieces like helmets and chest plates. You have to have factory-run cores, which means you need identical segments. Now let's say you only have that stack of ten nightsister layers to play with. You burn one to make a schematic that gives you nine +15 segments. Now you take that crate of nine segments, along with seventeen regular battle segments, to make a core schematic. You use a +15 segment in one slot (leaving you with eight) and regular segments in the other slots. You can now make eight cores with +15 health to them.

So now you could make a chest, legs, and helmet, but they will only have +15 health. The bonus from the cores does NOT stack.

(continued)



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pykescylla
Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:55 am
#72

When you really want to start having some fun, you start trying to hit the +50 health cap on each piece. To do this, you really need a separate stack of loot for each segment. So if you had three stacks of ten NS layers at +15 each, you could create eight +45 cores as outlined above. Each piece of armor we made above would have a +45 bonus instead of +15. No bad, but we didn't hit the cap.

What would you have to do to hit the cap? Use different combinations of loot. If you were blessed with a stack of ten +20 krayt scales and two stacks of ten +15 NS layers, you'd hit fifty with ease (20+15+15). Or if you had three stacks of ten +20 krayt scales to use, you'd have +60, which would be reduced to +50 in the cores.

You can also "cheat" by using one of the final appearance enhancers, the most common being the feathered appearance enhancer make with a peko peko albatross feather. You get the schematic during the RIS quest although they can be used on any armor. These things are a bit buggy right now in that you can't see the bonus on a looted feather until you make a FAE out of it.


Let's say you had your +45 cores from above and put them into a helmet. And let's say you've also made up a few +12 FAEs. Now when you combine your cores, cloth, and resources in the final step of crafting, you can add the +12 FAE to your +45 cores, giving you a +57 bonus that gets knocked down to +50 on the final combine.

The trick is to use ehancers as efficiently as possible, matching both the number of enhancers in the stack with the proper bonuses to get to +50 without going over too much. So if you have two stacks of 10 +20 krayt scales, a stack of +10 janta hide would round that off nicely. The segment enhancers are much more difficult to work with than the appearance enhancers, but they are more common. The FAE and the interwoven appearance enhancer (dropped by the acklay) are the only enhancers we know of that can be used in the final combine. There is a slot for a core enhancer, but I don't think anyone has found anything to fill it.

Hope that clears things up. Remember that any loot from before the CU converted to the max post CU value so it's all good stuff. I may have switched the bonuses from krayt scales and NS layers, but you get the picture. There are enhancers for all three armor types, although battle armor gets the lion's share. Rancor hide and kimo scales are for assault, and NS shards are for recon.

To make things more of a challenge, health enhancers are bugged so that you won't see the bonus until the piece of armor is completed, making it very important to keep track of the math.



Pyke Winoda
Retired Master Armorsmith w Reformed Smuggler w Former Mayor
Twelve-Point Smith w RIS Certified
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EnalaMasterDE
Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:29 am
#73

lol, you 've lost me, will ahve to read this l8r or tmrw, i've consumed far too much beer at my BBQ to understand


but once again thanks m8, u always seem to be here to help me out


/tickle





Enala Ote/Ikodu Ome
Dark Jedi/12pt AS
'Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do!'
I desire power above all else! I will not hesistate to strike thee down!
The Rancho Shopping Experience: 12pt Weapons (& PUPs), 12pt Armour, Resources, Loot, Stims
Naboo -3696 5131 (near Theed)

Blackmoore
Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:04 pm
#74

Ok could I just get a listing of what I need to outfit a whole suit of 7 pieces? I will get the stuff - eventually. Basically, I would like to know the minimum stack to make a piece or just some nice combos of what can be made with a stack of like krayt enhancers.


Like - one stack of 10 will make blah blah blah. One stack of 6 will make blah blah blah. Especially from an efficiency perspective. And how many enhancers do you need per piece. And which ones need to be factory made etc. I get some of the info, but I almost need a chart or something to help me understand.


Thanks!



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pykescylla
Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:39 pm
#75

Tough question. You need to worry about three pieces: chest plate, helmet, and leggings. Best case would be 3 stacks of 9 where the bonuses on thes stacks add up to 50. From your signature, I'm guessing you want assault armor. So maybe you could get three stacks of rancor hide that together got close to 50 (+45 is the best you'd get with rancor hide since +15 is the max per hide). You could then add a peko peko albatross feather to each piece to push it up past +50. I think +10 is the low end for feathers, so you'd lose 5 points. To sum up:

(+15 rancor hide) + (+15 rancor hide) + (+15 rancor hide)= +45 armor core + (+10 feather)= +50 bonus (+55 capped at +50)

The arm piece can me make all by hand, so you can use the same approach but you don't need the big stacks of loot. Single pieces can be used.



Pyke Winoda
Retired Master Armorsmith w Reformed Smuggler w Former Mayor
Twelve-Point Smith w RIS Certified
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JediSpam
Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:18 pm
#76






pykescylla wrote:
Tough question. You need to worry about three pieces: chest plate, helmet, and leggings. Best case would be 3 stacks of 9 where the bonuses on thes stacks add up to 50. From your signature, I'm guessing you want assault armor. So maybe you could get three stacks of rancor hide that together got close to 50 (+45 is the best you'd get with rancor hide since +15 is the max per hide). You could then add a peko peko albatross feather to each piece to push it up past +50. I think +10 is the low end for feathers, so you'd lose 5 points. To sum up:

(+15 rancor hide) + (+15 rancor hide) + (+15 rancor hide)= +45 armor core + (+10 feather)= +50 bonus (+55 capped at +50)

The arm piece can me make all by hand, so you can use the same approach but you don't need the big stacks of loot. Single pieces can be used.




Bah!


I just made a very long reply to thequestion but I got auto-signed-off from the forums.


In the meantime, pyke somes back and answers the question... LOL





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pykescylla
Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:41 pm
#77

I'm sneaky like that. It's my new smugglerishness.



Pyke Winoda
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Twelve-Point Smith w RIS Certified
DREADNOUGHT Armor w Saldara, Dantooine 6690 -4626

Baciacca
Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:06 pm
#78

Ok a friend of mine got "You feel an inner glow. The force is with you." message. She had her old man visit her. She got her crystal. Then the thugs attacked her and killed her. Stole the crystal back. How long till the old man visits again so she can get the crystal again?




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