Bio Engineer Archive

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MiddleOfNowhere wrote:

I didn't see anything about this change being removed - Could you let us know where you saw that?

Thanks

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on the patch notes, where the text concerning the group harvest changes was listed in strikethrough text, and which has now been changed to +30% with a grouped ranger, and +40% with a grouped master ranger.

we're still getting numbers in from rangers:

a master ranger, a ranger tracker, and a combat goon with scout skills go a-hunting. let's call them Alphonse, Bob, and Cletus respectively.

at their first kill, Alphonse harvests as a master ranger (base +100) plus +30%, since he is grouped with a ranger. Bob (who happens to be a mCH/mrifle/ranger 0030) harvests (base +80) plus 40%, since he is grouped with a MASTER ranger. Cletus, who only has scout 0040, harvests (base +40) plus 40%, since he, too, is grouped with a MASTER ranger.

Alphonse: +130
Bob: +112
Cletus: +56

at their second kill, Bob stays at ideal range (60m or so). the creature warps as the team tries to kill it. now the problem... if the harvest bonus is applied at the KILL, rather than the HARVEST, then we see very different numbers. Alphonse now harvests at +20% (base group bonus). Bob harvests at +20%... or +40%... or? we're not sure. Cletus harvests at +40%, grouped with a MASTER ranger.

Alphonse: +120
Bob: +??? (+96? +112?)
Cletus: +56

keep in mind that these characters have VERY different investments in scouting/ranger skills.

Alphonse: 140
Bob: 95
Cletus: 29

at BASE rates of harvest (and solo), that's a harvest-per-skill-point of:

Alphonse: 0.714
Bob: 0.842
Cletus: 1.38


what we KNOW:

players grouped with a MASTER ranger get a +40% bonus. the MASTER ranger does not get this bonus unless they are grouped with ANOTHER MASTER ranger.

the bonus is figured for players within 64m (at kill? at harvest?).

we still need to test this more. I'll do what I can, when I can, but the "weekend" is my work week, and cuts into my leisure time.

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HeadChef1 wrote:

well this sucks why do every one eals get a group % yet as a master ranger i get 0% to what i harvest so there is still no plus for me getting in a group helping out any one if i get no ex; harvest for my slef in being in a group

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no, you get 30% extra for being grouped with another ranger.

Message Edited by Caramina on 02-21-2005 03:50 PM

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Caramina wrote:

good luck finding a ranger that wants to group i say

Ilyn Lerolci - Farstar - TDR Ranger

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Why's that? Two master rangers grouped together means that they both get 40% extra. I KNOW rangers will want to do that.

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Caramina wrote:

good luck finding a ranger that wants to group i say

Ilyn Lerolci - Farstar - TDR Ranger

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Good luck finding a ranger I say.

This weekend, I couldn't even find one willing to discuss a price for helping find critters. Oddly enough, one guy wasn't interested unless it was hunting jedi stuff "other stuff is over too quick". Back on topic though, IMO, rangers should get 1/2 the bonus if grouped with anyone in that range and the full bonus if with another ranger.

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Halthron wrote:
This weekend, I couldn't even find one willing to discuss a price for helping find critters. Oddly enough, one guy wasn't interested unless it was hunting jedi stuff "other stuff is over too quick". Back on topic though, IMO, rangers should get 1/2 the bonus if grouped with anyone in that range and the full bonus if with another ranger.

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Actually, the current thought in rangerdom tends towards allowing Master Rangers to harvest the entire animal..meat, hide, and bones. Which to me makes sense. This bonus, I think, may make me more popular among my guildies, tho, since I have ranger. Maybe I can pimp myself out... go with groups and just hang around. (I'm a non-combat BE, 'cept for pets.)

I'd say, cap the bonus at the maximum ability the highest ranger in the group has. No one can harvest better than he can; but give him a bump up too so that he harvests even better when the city doctor says "Isn't that strand of sinew useful for something?" and he says "Why, yes, yes it is... I was just getting to that..."