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Thread: is it wrong to...

PTWebDev
Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:24 am
#14

cut the guy some slack... hes just trying to say that for RP purposes hes not going to kill anyone in his faction... everyone doesnt need to get all 'Reducto de Absurdum' on him.
Lycids
Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:42 am
#15






SgtStew wrote:

But does that mean you hunt your own to stop your faction from becoming stronger?






Hmm... lets see, how many Jedi of mine own faction have come to my rescue when i am being ganked by a opposite Jedi gank squad? That would have to be a big fat 0. There is no Galactic Civil war and no such thing as faction loyalty. These days it comes down too PA associations so go ahead and hunt all Jedi if that is what you want.




Lycids Thorn
Retired Jedi Knight
Dark Troll Master

skygod99
Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:46 am
#16






Nathanielstarr wrote:

Jedi have the ability to become so damn tough in this game that it is your duty to bring them down for the sake of the game.


Yes I really mean that.






Just so you know, its attitude like this that has started SOE's sponsored hate machine.Attitude like this spwaned all the grief sessions, and turned player bounties into the worst part of this game.


Its thinking like this that screws gameplay up for other players. Thinking that "OOOO the devs seleceted ME to control the jedi!"


Get over yourself..



Kabur / Kagur Vix
>Resistance Industries>
Jedi
TXAG2006
Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:33 am
#17

Hunting your own faction is fine, I mean really it's a game folks. If the jedi is on the terms and as of now there is no way to tell which side they are on , then they are fair game regardless of faction.



Zalym Biscayn
Level 90 Medic
Role Player Starsider


Zalyn Biscayn Level 90 Elder Jedi Starsider


More proud to have earned Master Ranger than to be an Elder Jedi
SgtStew
Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:05 pm
#18

But does that mean you hunt your own to stop your faction from becoming stronger?



Jus'tin Killmore
Master Spy
MoD
Arvidb
Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:08 pm
#19

Most Jedi enjoy a good fight. So go ahead and waste one and check. He will surely tell you after he is dead.



IGN on Chimaera: IXX - Tripple Elite Master Melee
IGN on Bloodfin: Shalea Baa - MP/MBH
Nathanielstarr
Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:22 pm
#20

SgtStew there is no galactic civil war so causing a jedi to grind an additional few hours will have no impact on anything except that jedi.
SgtStew
Mon Oct 04, 2004 12:28 pm
#21

Well everyone else might see it as the GCW is over but I still believe in defending and attacking faction bases and I still believe in working for the good of my faction. Thats just how i see it. I don't kill Imp Jedi even after I track them, find them and finally see them in person. Now if you see it as all Jedi are good for marks, that works for you. I don't. I attack Rebel Jedi only. Don't get me wrong I don't camp their corpse or anything like that. I let them get rezzed and go about their business and I go about mine. I don't hate Rebel Jedi as much as I want to thin their herd, and they are the Imperial enemy so I go after them. And as I said before, Rebel Jedi run wild on Intrepid so that is just one more reason NOT to attack my own faction, we are the minority. So I don't see Imp Jedi as targets but allys.



Jus'tin Killmore
Master Spy
MoD
Rheso
Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:21 pm
#22


Imagine, a beautiful day on Tatooine...


After a long, hard day working in your mechanic's workshop you stop in at the Mos Eisley Cantina for a drink before heading home. The Model Nodes are performing the all the latest hits and you're sipping your drink, thankful to be indoors when suddenly a commotion at the bar grabs your attention. A youth in his late teens is shoved violently to the ground and before the culprit's aqualish bodyguard can pull the trigger of the blaster he's pulled from his holster, a scintillating blue shaft severs the monster's arm at the elbow. The blade disappears as quickly as it was produced, and the old man holding the instrument from which the blade cametakes a step back and cautiously surveys the room before helping the lad to his feet and disappearing into one of the cantina's dimly-lit alcoves with the boy and a tall, shaggy wookie. Mere minutes later, two Imperial stormtroopers are on the scene, questioning the bartender and the cantina patrons about the disturbance. If you had been thinking that the ruccus was not your business and something to not ask too many questions about, now you're sure of it. Tensions are high in the galaxy and people get blasted every day. In places like this, out on the far rim, it seems to happen more often than on planets like Naboo or Coruscant. In fact, getting accustomed to your neighbor suddenly falling dead at your feet is something you're going to have to do if you plan to frequent establishments such as this. Such occurances barely raise an eyebrow anymore, let alone warrant an Imperial investigation. You reason it must have something to do with that blue blade that the old man used on the aqualish...


If this were a book, I'd go on to describe how the main character is intrigued about the "blue blade" and his/her effort to find out more about it, which would be considerable. Eventually he would learn that it's called a "lightsaber" and that "lightsabers" used to be used by people called "Jedi" and that "Jedi" get their power from "The Force". In "A New Hope", Alec Guinness' performancesets the tone for the depth of ignorance regarding these things that is shared by the general public. From the furtiveness with which he uses his Force powers and lightsaber, it is clear thatObi-Wan is very concerned about being witnessed by the wrong people. From the way he introduces The Force and terms like "Jedi Knight" and "Lightsaber" to Luke, it is also clear that these things are not widely known about. It's pretty clear to me that after Palpatine declared himself "Emperor", his first task was to not just outlaw jedi,or even to annhilate them all, but to erase the very memory of them, as well. To that end, he used the might of the RepublicClone Army, and his servant and apprentice, Darth Vader. If I close my eyes and immagine what it would be like in the Star Wars Galaxy during the time between "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith" I think it's safe to reason that Vader's extreme sensitivity to The Force and ability to sense tremors in it was his main contribution to the extinction of the jedi. If someone so much as used The Force to retrieve a tool from across a room rather than get up and walk over to pick it up, Vader could sense it and would have a death squad of stormies scouring the area for the force user in a flash. With the number of jedi present in the galaxy, even after the Clone Wars thinned them some, tracking down each and every one of them is a lot of work for one man, even one as powerful as Vader. I imagine that during this time, bounty hunters were widely used by Palpatine in his efforts to erradicate ALL force users. Doing so was the key to his ability to retain his power. With only two Sith, should some young, ambitious, Force-sensitive man or woman catch wind of the old religion, that man or woman may begin to understand their power and become a threat. Vader, after all was now "More man than machine" and as such his physical abilities had been hampered severly. Stormtroopers had become increasingly ineffective due to flaws in the cloning system, so bounty hunters were called in secretively to help keep the lid on Force activity. It had to be keptsecret becauseThe Empire, after all, was the system of rule in the galaxy and therefore interactivity with elements of the underworld would be looked upon as hypocritical, not to mention how it could be viewed as an admission by the Emperor of the inadequacy of his forces. Above and beyond all other reasons, secrecy, again, was key, to begin with.


What I'm getting at here, is that in my opinion, as far as continuity is concerned, bounty hunters should be hunting all jedi, regardless of faction. Actually, I think the system should be more complex. Either bounty hunters should not be able to be faction-affiliated at all, or there should be faction-affiliated bounty hunter mission terminals, with neutral bounty hunters being able to accept missions from either Rebel or Imperial BH terminals. As the way the game is played now, taking continuity into consideration, I think Rebel BH should only hunt Imperial Jedi, but Imperial BH should be able to hunt everyone, as the Emporer would no doubt want all force-users wiped out. I don't play that way, though. Being an Imperial Colonel and a Master BH, I find that it is to my convenience to not hunt some jedi and to keep them as friends. If I find myself going after a Jedi Sentinel because he or she is the only one that I can find "online" due to the exploit, it's nice to be able to call in a few favors from dark/ Imperial-factioned jedi. The biggest problem that I find myself running into now is the numbers of new jedi I'm finding on the boards. I've been MBH for several months now and am a prominent member of my guild. I had a sizeable database of jedi and their factions and an even more sizeable information network to which I used to be able to turn whenever I spied a new name on the board. My informants now seem to not be of much help anymore, however. Too often the reply is "Never heard of him." when I ask "Who the heck is this guy?" So... I gear up, send out my droids, pay for the shuttle tickets, wait for the shuttle, send more droids, fight off randomly spawned mobs, track down my mark and try to pay attention to the details when I at last get to him. Is his name in blue or in purple? Is there an Imperial symbol over his head, next to his name? A Rebel symbol? No symbol? Is he guilded? If so, do I recognize the guild? Is it faction-based? I've got to do all this FAST. If he spots me or gets suspicious, he'll /forcerun2 outta there and it's all over. Worse, I could find myself surrounded by six of his best friends.


For me, If I recognize the name on the board and know that he is Imperial, I pass it over. If I have no clue but find that he is Imperial once I get him in my sites, I leave him alone. I may or may not even inform him that I came for him but am leaving him alone due to his faction affiliation in the hopes that that my warrant a favor in the future. In the end, it's all business, after all because when it's all said and done, I'm just a simple man making his way in the universe.



You can run...
But you'll only die tired.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone's not after you.
Rockhurst
Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:32 pm
#23

The way I look at it, BH's are hired guns...we just do what we're payed to. Plus, it's not like we can tall on the terminals whether their Reb or Imp andwe've already gone to the expense of getting there...unless the Jedi wants to pay us off Not to mention...traitor? It's not like there's a civil war going on...at least in this game. All we've got are a few guys in white, crappy armor that will occasionally stop you and scan you.



Master Bounty Hunter / Master Pistoleer
--Force Enhanced--
Rheso
Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:54 pm
#24

Ah, crudnuggets. I spelled "Modal" wrong.



You can run...
But you'll only die tired.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone's not after you.
Nathanielstarr
Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:00 pm
#25

Yeah I know you jedi just want to get to knight in like a month andeasily defeateverything in the game and say "I BEAT STAR WARS GALAXIES!"


I do not grief my opponents and if they act respectfully I vow not to hunt them again. But if they are mouthy I might go back and visit them again sometime. Sadly 90% of all jedi are mouthy.


It is funny that when these players of jedi who think themselves the "most dedicated" are faced with a real challenge and they whine about it endlessly.


You know you jedi signed up for this....you should not be a jedi unless you want the challenge.
Galactic_Playboy
Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:10 pm
#26

I can see your moral questioning in this situation but ask yourself this:


Are you a bounty hunter first and a rebel second, or the other way around?
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