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There should NOT be experimentation at Master Medic, unless they plan to keep BE exp and Medical exp seperate. Someone who has been a BE for a long time should not have to totally screw their template just to be as good at crafting pets as they were before.

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MataHairy wrote:

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Kelderek wrote:

1. Separate the BE and med crafting exp points and schematics.

2. Keep BE 10 points at master.

3. Keep BE crafting without SEAs.

Do those 3 things and I'll be happy and I don't really care what they do with the med side of things.

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I'm cool with all those too. I'm just skeptical that (1) and (3) are possible without massive programming changes.

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I fully support point 1 of this proposal, also.

As it is on TC5 currently in the skill trees, a live crafting-only master doctor will drop MD and pick up MBE during the skill point reallocation, bringing a lot of money and a 12 point suit to support this endeavor (_and_ saving 43 skill points if scout is not a prereq for BE anymore, while being able to cater to more markets than before). This former MD can buy the good resources he needs to craft a lot faster than a current MBE can acquire a 12pt suit I suppose, effectively taking a lot of tailor/chef subcomponent business away from current MBEs.
Current MBEs should get a headstart on current BE business, while current MDs should get a headstart on medical crafting if they turn BE.

The other two points made are BE-internal stuff of no concern to me.

All of these suggestions shouldnt be hard to implement, since the two experimentation skills are separate in live already, as are the schematics, and BE exp SEAs are not dropping in live currently.

Message Edited by Eskie on 04-05-2005 02:28 PM

Was pondering this prob... Could the BE crafting points be moved to sampling? either that or to the branch with the pet-skins...? *shrug* Just random thinking.

Fully support these proposals.

Ive been MBE for 18 months now (I think, time flies). To suddenly find out that a new 0/4/0/4 BE (coverted from Doctor) may have 12 crafting points to stick into a BE tissue just doesnt seem right

1. I have never wanted (and I believe most BEs dont want) SEA for BE. Regardless of whether they would be useful or not.

2. I dont want to have to spend Millions on a 12pt suit to keep my business alive. I think my customers may stay, but 2 extra points into a BSn would be very tempting for them (assuming the right quality resource of course)

I also see it from the Doc side of things. the solution is simple...keep Doc xp in the crafting line, add BE crafting xp throughout the rest of the BE tree (including master)

Can anyone with "hidden" forum access (Correspondant / CURB team) give us any idea if this has been recognised by the devs as an issue at all? (recently I mean- after Arthurs post above)- I realise youre all doing a great job pushing this, but Id just like to know if its been recognised by the devs?

Or are we dealing with a fait accompli?

Message Edited by Blueblooded on 04-05-2005 05:36 PM

The thing is, chef stuff wouldn't benefit from an extra two points. Assuming you had the resources to hit 90 on a BSN, you could hit 90 in a couple of attempts with just 10 experimentation points. The extra points are useful where there are multiple lines to experiment on, like with pets and meds. Not that some BEs wouldn't advertise their chef wares as 12 point anyway.

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Jalinsol wrote:

I think it's a catch-22. I have to say, I had my Doc try BE before CU details came out, and I have to hand it to the BEs..that's not an easy grind. I was primarily picking it up on my Doc (a second account) to support my chef. I gave up.

The catch-22 is, my Doc makes his own stuff. To suddenly say, "you can't craft your top end meds without Master BE" is regression to that profession. If that stuff was put in the BE Master, I'd need something like 47 boxes to craft and use those meds. The posts I've seen so far have all been level headed, and I'd guess that most would agree that this wouldn't be fair to docs.

As a chef, I'm glad my doc will be able to make quality BSNs (if I've read things correctly), but I also know that isn't fair to established BEs. I will more than likely continue to buy from my suppliers, though. I'd guess, if you've established a good relationship with a chef, you'll be OK, at least in that department. But, that's a little off-topic for this post.

Back to the topic:

Perhaps BE master should include something extra, to make up for the lack of EXP advantage. Not being a BE, I'm not sure what you'd find important. I know as a chef, I really need those INNs, though. I'm also hoping that there's more of a market for the other Nutrients as well (carbo reduction, and flavor enhancers).

Best wishes...I feel for you guys.

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WE have no ill will to docs, and tbh most of feel that we shouldn't be given Doc crafting...where we have an issue is that a 0404 BE can make MSN and BSN as good as an MBE. We are concerned that doc dabblers will destroy the market for the establsihed BEs as they will likely have no concerns over schematic selling on what is a secondary item to them.

There have been calls for seperating BE and Med exp, and calls for putting exp at master...I don't know which is the best option, but we really should not have a situation where someone who has invested half the skill points is just as good as a Master who has invested twice as much...

it's even more ridiculous than the current issue of CL10s removing the need for lower level CH...but thats digressing...