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EdOWar
Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:21 am
#14


Sorry, they cannot. They can be used in FWG5, Featherweight FWG5, Tusken Rifle, Czerka Carbine (set of 6 though), Alliance Needler carbine, and a few other weapons.


Edit: For power-hammers you want either a really good Acklay bone (though SAC will be higher), or a Geonosian reinforcement core (use a Red cube if you want lower SAC, a yellow cube for more damage, and the highest damage geonosian solidifying agent you can find).


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Message Edited by EdOWar on 08-28-2005 07:23 AM

Darth_Sushi
Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:44 pm
#15

Thanks for the heads up. I guess the Jedi missed the memo on Order 66.





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LiakyK
Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:53 pm
#16

Best place for a Jedi is to stay in hiding.



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Owet
Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:55 am
#17



xur-soma wrote:


Darth_Sushi wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I guess the Jedi missed the memo on Order 66.



I got no problem playing my MBH alt the mando look is fun...however i like a good fight unlike most people it seems. This BS will need to be fixed your jedi population you people hate so much suports this game every month and if you make them this weak it will die for sure.
If order 66 = run SWG into ground then ya they are doing a good job of it.... Heals are un balanced and the SL abilitys are unbalanced it seems. Any coro should be objective like Tanks was for the BH's you seem far from objective I like killing jedi also with my BH but i dont expect it to be easy this BS makes the fight a joke and no chalange for me to even bother them. I dont take missions to greef Jedi or make people mad I take them for the hard fight.
it a shame people like you can be coros in any combat related feild without being objective your goal should be to better combat and understand that jedi are the better fighters in combat ( all things beeing equal ) and should be hard to take down.
This to me looks just like a flip flop of the melee tank from taking insane amounts of dmg to dealing it out. yet another imbalance SWG has to deal with. For me I just want them to balance combat as I have yet to see it post CU.

Message Edited by xur-soma on 10-16-2005 03:52 AM





I love the whining going on, prior to the SL revamp, jedi and BHs for the most part could care less about SL. Now they are trying to get us nerfed to oblivion. With the exception for a few bugs, most of the skills are working fine under normal playing conditions. Please stop acting like the game revolves around BHs/Jedi and get the facts straight before you continue to claim the sky is falling.



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xur-soma
Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:27 am
#18






Owet wrote:





xur-soma wrote:







Darth_Sushi wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I guess the Jedi missed the memo on Order 66.






I got no problem playing my MBH alt the mando look is fun...however i like a good fight unlike most people it seems. This BS will need to be fixed your jedi population you people hate so much suports this game every month and if you make them this weak it will die for sure.


If order 66 = run SWG into ground then ya they are doing a good job of it.... Heals are un balanced and the SL abilitys are unbalanced it seems. Any coro should be objective like Tanks was for the BH's you seem far from objective I like killing jedi also with my BH but i dont expect it to be easy this BS makes the fight a joke and no chalange for me to even bother them. I dont take missions to greef Jedi or make people mad I take them for the hard fight.


it a shame people like you can be coros in any combat related feild without being objective your goal should be to better combat and understand that jedi are the better fighters in combat ( all things beeing equal ) and should be hard to take down.


This to me looks just like a flip flop of the melee tank from taking insane amounts of dmg to dealing it out. yet another imbalance SWG has to deal with. For me I just want them to balance combat as I have yet to see it post CU.



Message Edited by xur-soma on 10-16-2005 03:52 AM






I love the whining going on, prior to the SL revamp, jedi and BHs for the most part could care less about SL. Now they are trying to get us nerfed to oblivion. With the exception for a few bugs, most of the skills are working fine under normal playing conditions. Please stop acting like the game revolves around BHs/Jedi and get the facts straight before you continue to claim the sky is falling.




if you read what i said... i am about a good fight and a 1-3 hit incap is not a good fight just like the overpowered melee tanks bring an imbalance to the game... dont matter to me if its jedi or not its a balance issue i would say the same thing if jedi killed a non jedi in 1-3 hits. its about balance somthing SOE has said over and over they are trying to do yet have not been able to do it.


Right now i hunt jedi with a mando helm, a BH chest plate a skirt, gloves and boots and kill or make the jedi run away more than i loose. This is not balance its bad development and bad for the game. I have yet to see this SL skills so i cant say for sure + its still in testing not that SOE whould not let imbalance throught testing they would no question.


to me your no better than coro you guys just dont get it! if they dont find a way to balance combat in this game the game is dead! no matter many exp packs they toss at the player base it will die. If you want SL to the new FOTM thats fine with me enjoy your time in the sun... but dont cry when you get "fixed" like Jedi,BH,Doc/MCM heals ect.. ect... blaaa.. balaa


If you cant look at this game from an objective point of view than I dont know what to say. If you think what i said is whining your an idiot and need to learn how to read m8.


what is the purpose of SL? is it to make 1 player 1-3 hit another? or is to give a full group of players an advatage over another? if you say the first your an idot and need look up the word balance i think. SL should get some love sure they need it but not at the cost of the player base or game it self, "IF" this in fact the case based on the feed back given.





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_scout_
Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:48 am
#19


xur-soma wrote:
...
it a shame people like you can be coros in any combat related feild without being objective your goal should be to better combat and understand that jedi are the better fighters in combat ( all things beeing equal ) and should be hard to take down.
...




xur-soma wrote:
...
to me your no better than coro you guys just dont get it! if they dont find a way to balance combat in this game the game is dead!
...



Sorry to interrupt, but, take a step back form the Keyboard, breath and do a little research.

This is neither the BH nor the Jedi Board and you dont have any clue what the SL community as well as its correspondent is doing now already.

The SL community and it's correspondent warned the DEVs months ago about the now arising balancing problems and they are still working and testing to make the SL Revamp as balanced as it can be, but if you realy only want to come in here and whine/or flame, do not expect any respect from the community.

Darth Sushi is doing a tremendous amazing job in trying to get the SL Revamp as balanced as possible out to live, so stop your personal attacks and at least READ whats going on in this forum if you are seriously so worried about your game balance.

The SL board is FULL of FOCUSED REVAMP threads gathering objective game data and test setups discussing the possible balance of the Revamp.

Now, stay away from the keyboard, use your mouse to click on some links and after you read them help balacing the revamp.



edit: spelling

Message Edited by _scout_ on 10-16-2005 11:49 AM



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Darth_Sushi
Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:57 am
#20






xur-soma wrote:


if you read what i said... i am about a good fight and a 1-3 hit incap is not a good fight just like the overpowered melee tanks bring an imbalance to the game... dont matter to me if its jedi or not its a balance issue i would say the same thing if jedi killed a non jedi in 1-3 hits. its about balance somthing SOE has said over and over they are trying to do yet have not been able to do it.


Right now i hunt jedi with a mando helm, a BH chest plate a skirt, gloves and boots and kill or make the jedi run away more than i loose. This is not balance its bad development and bad for the game. I have yet to see this SL skills so i cant say for sure + its still in testing not that SOE whould not let imbalance throught testing they would no question.


to me your no better than coro you guys just dont get it! if they dont find a way to balance combat in this game the game is dead! no matter many exp packs they toss at the player base it will die. If you want SL to the new FOTM thats fine with me enjoy your time in the sun... but dont cry when you get "fixed" like Jedi,BH,Doc/MCM heals ect.. ect... blaaa.. balaa


If you cant look at this game from an objective point of view than I dont know what to say. If you think what i said is whining your an idiot and need to learn how to read m8.


what is the purpose of SL? is it to make 1 player 1-3 hit another? or is to give a full group of players an advatage over another? if you say the first your an idot and need look up the word balance i think. SL should get some love sure they need it but not at the cost of the player base or game it self, "IF" this in fact the case based on the feed back given.




Nah, we get it just fine. You yourself admit that you aren't familiar with the new changes to Squad Leader. So you must be basing your reaction on the buzz over a couple of screenshots and some anecdotal tales of a few attackers who have managed to achieve extreme damage under ideal offensive conditions using frog weapons in a beta test. On the other handinstead of screaming for a pre-emptive nerf of a beta system I know nothing about (and slinging personal insults to boot) I am attempting to educate and rally folks who apparently can't even be bothered to explore the potential opportunities for defensive enhancement in that same system before summarily assuming that the sky is falling and declaring that the game is dead. I 'm trying tosee folks to see the other side of it. I think that's called objectivity. Thanks for your input, though. Feel free to come back any time - especiallyif you have data to support your position.






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MailekEOC
Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:48 am
#21

I wonder if Rangers are going to get the same reaction from the BH and the jedi when they are able to go invisiable and plant concealed mines.



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Giant2005
Sun Oct 16, 2005 8:09 am
#22






xur-soma wrote:






Owet wrote:





xur-soma wrote:







Darth_Sushi wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I guess the Jedi missed the memo on Order 66.






I got no problem playing my MBH alt the mando look is fun...however i like a good fight unlike most people it seems. This BS will need to be fixed your jedi population you people hate so much suports this game every month and if you make them this weak it will die for sure.


If order 66 = run SWG into ground then ya they are doing a good job of it.... Heals are un balanced and the SL abilitys are unbalanced it seems. Any coro should be objective like Tanks was for the BH's you seem far from objective I like killing jedi also with my BH but i dont expect it to be easy this BS makes the fight a joke and no chalange for me to even bother them. I dont take missions to greef Jedi or make people mad I take them for the hard fight.


it a shame people like you can be coros in any combat related feild without being objective your goal should be to better combat and understand that jedi are the better fighters in combat ( all things beeing equal ) and should be hard to take down.


This to me looks just like a flip flop of the melee tank from taking insane amounts of dmg to dealing it out. yet another imbalance SWG has to deal with. For me I just want them to balance combat as I have yet to see it post CU.



Message Edited by xur-soma on 10-16-2005 03:52 AM






I love the whining going on, prior to the SL revamp, jedi and BHs for the most part could care less about SL. Now they are trying to get us nerfed to oblivion. With the exception for a few bugs, most of the skills are working fine under normal playing conditions. Please stop acting like the game revolves around BHs/Jedi and get the facts straight before you continue to claim the sky is falling.




if you read what i said... i am about a good fight and a 1-3 hit incap is not a good fight just like the overpowered melee tanks bring an imbalance to the game... dont matter to me if its jedi or not its a balance issue i would say the same thing if jedi killed a non jedi in 1-3 hits. its about balance somthing SOE has said over and over they are trying to do yet have not been able to do it.


Right now i hunt jedi with a mando helm, a BH chest plate a skirt, gloves and boots and kill or make the jedi run away more than i loose. This is not balance its bad development and bad for the game. I have yet to see this SL skills so i cant say for sure + its still in testing not that SOE whould not let imbalance throught testing they would no question.


to me your no better than coro you guys just dont get it! if they dont find a way to balance combat in this game the game is dead! no matter many exp packs they toss at the player base it will die. If you want SL to the new FOTM thats fine with me enjoy your time in the sun... but dont cry when you get "fixed" like Jedi,BH,Doc/MCM heals ect.. ect... blaaa.. balaa


If you cant look at this game from an objective point of view than I dont know what to say. If you think what i said is whining your an idiot and need to learn how to read m8.


what is the purpose of SL? is it to make 1 player 1-3 hit another? or is to give a full group of players an advatage over another? if you say the first your an idot and need look up the word balance i think. SL should get some love sure they need it but not at the cost of the player base or game it self, "IF" this in fact the case based on the feed back given.





You really should have thought a little more carefully about what you wrote - you are complaining about melee tanks and SLs being unbalanced, and I am sure you spend your days screaming about CMs and the snare nerf....this is just a regular jedi screaming nerf to all other professions, if I wanted to read this I would go to the jedi boards and have a look at one of their 50 posts about it. If you want to scream nerf on everyone other than yourself, go find a nice little corner to do it in - don't bother us



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Darth_Sushi
Sun Oct 16, 2005 11:55 am
#23






MailekEOC wrote:


I wonder if Rangers are going to get the same reaction from the BH and the jedi when they are able to go invisiable and plant concealed mines.





Count on it.






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Officer Senator Insurgent

I play on Bria because Hell was full.


xur-soma
Sun Oct 16, 2005 12:51 pm
#24







Darth_Sushi wrote:
Thanks for the heads up. I guess the Jedi missed the memo on Order 66.






I got no problem playing my MBH alt the mando look is fun...however i like a good fight unlike most people it seems. This BS will need to be fixed your jedi population you people hate so much suports this game every month and if you make them this weak it will die for sure.


If order 66 = run SWG into ground then ya they are doing a good job of it.... Heals are un balanced and the SL abilitys are unbalanced it seems. Any coro should be objective like Tanks was for the BH's you seem far from objective I like killing jedi also with my BH but i dont expect it tobe easy this BS makes the fight a joke and no chalange for me to even bother them. I dont take missions to greef Jedi or make people mad I take them for the hard fight.


it a shame people like you can be coros in any combat related feild without being objective your goal should be to better combat and understand that jedi are the better fighters in combat ( all things beeing equal ) and should be hard to take down.


This to me looks just like a flip flop of the melee tank from taking insane amounts of dmg to dealing it out. yet another imbalance SWG has to deal with. For me I just want them to balance combat as I have yet to see it post CU.


Message Edited by xur-soma on 10-16-2005 03:52 AM





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iskareot
Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:04 pm
#25






MailekEOC wrote:

I wonder if Rangers are going to get the same reaction from the BH and the jedi when they are able to go invisiable and plant concealed mines.






I have to agree and sadly I hate the mere fact we have to defend ourselves against it.


I guess things have changed so much that its come to a point where Jedi is now in fear of Marksman and Brawlers... we have been nerfed down so much that we have risk (little as it is) with no reward.


I think the one thing that may fix this is any XP loss... at this point and rate there is no point. Not when I can make up the loss in a hour..... at one time the "power we had" needed to be kept in check.. now its more or less a joke that a Jedi vs BH battle lasting 30 mins is just stupid. But this is where we are at now..


Hey look Id be the first to say Id love to go back to not having to really worry about a SL or a Ranger -- but it seems that now we do. Jedi is no longer a Alpha class... its more of a "Elite with some bonuses" - and a bit more XP to make one.


sorry for the indepth reply but its come down to all of this and its just sad.





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CorlanDor
Sun Oct 16, 2005 4:46 pm
#26


In general:


You know....sometimes, I really wish they would just put a "I win the game" button on the tool bar. Just so that those who want to win, can win. They can then go and find another game to "win" and develop another deep appreciation of a different game. (Directed at those who really need to be "the best, of the best, of the best")


Re. the thread:

You're not likley to get much sympathy about individual strength (or lack ofit)in a Squad Leader forum. Plenty of empathy and then a strong order to form up and get on with it soldier. Arguing with a profession that sees (needs)the benefits of having multi-skilled teams is not wise and I can't think of many professions that can appreciate the importance of balance in the way SL's do, especially SL vetts.


I think we all need to cool down a bit and just wait and see what happens.



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