Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: FS Grind
ZypherBountyHunter
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:44 am
#15
so ill its basically enough xp to learn first FS skill box 
this is going to take awhile.
this is going to take awhile.
PyschoSlicer
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:45 am
#16
Im not positive but on tc2 the rate for combat xp was 3:1 but that could of changed
ZypherBountyHunter
Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:51 am
#17
if they change it any higher, they definetly going to hear it from players, because you do not get alot of combat xp per kill and caps lock for combat xp is 300k
deXtoRious
Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:01 am
#18
AxeRemi wrote:
That's 120k FS xp
It's not really that hard... come on, 3 * 900 / 30 = 90... + 300 / 3 = 190.......
/sarcasm off
ZypherBountyHunter
Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:05 am
#20
nvm
Message Edited by ZypherBountyHunter on 08-23-2004 10:06 AM
ZypherBountyHunter
Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:07 am
#21
280k total...not bad, mgiht be worth the grind after all.
ResourceMonkey
Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:12 am
#22
All numbers are not finalized. They are still trying to figure things out. My guess is that they will be doing some metrics with the existing system, so the more xp people have stored/saved up/maxed out - the higher they'll raise the conversion ratio.
The current thought is that there will be different ratios based upon the difficulty of earning the exp. Your general combat xp (not the actual combat xp but stuff like Pistol xp) will be the highest conversion (ex: 50:1), then stuff like your various crafting xp will be lower(25:1) and so on. Who knows exactly where they will put them but the list of exp is quite extensive:
General Combat xp
Actual Combat xp
Squad Leader
BH Investigation
Each individual master crafting xp (since each can progress faster or slower depending upon resources required).
Entertainer xp
Healing/Doc xp (again, buffs and tumblers vs actual wound treatment)
etc...
Who knows how the devs will rate it.
GoofyTruax
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:40 am
#24
I like the new quest much better then the old 4 known/ 4 unknown professions to master. But I don't think they have made it any less then a grind. In fact I think they have increased the grind quality of it and killed the enjoyment of doing it.
Example:
It takes 19200 General crafting Xp plus 657920 points of chef XP and 620 AP to master chef. If I convert it to jedi XP (8 to 1 general 5 to 1 chef) that is 131584 + 2400 = 133984 Jedi XP
You need 1275000 jedi XP to fill one skill tree so I would have to master chef 9.5 times to get one tree.
For rifleman it takes 3800000 Rifle XP plus 415000 combate XP and 620 AP to master. If I convert it to Jedi XP (30 to 1 rifle, 3 to 1 combat) that is 126666 + 183333 = 309999 Jedi XP
Again you need 1275000 jedi xp to fill one skill tree so I would have to master rifleman 4.1 times to get the tree.
Now you do only need 6 trees done and if the trees are in the same skill box you save 50000 jedi XP on each skill that is in the same profession. So that is 4950000 jedi XP for 4 tress and 2500000 for the second two. In gettting my six boxes using rifleman (4 skill trees) and chef (2 trees) I would master 15.96 combat professions and 18.66 crafting professions for 34.62 professions mastered! (there are only 32 professions)
Is it just me or is something wrong with this?
At least with the old way you got to tryout each profession.
Example:
It takes 19200 General crafting Xp plus 657920 points of chef XP and 620 AP to master chef. If I convert it to jedi XP (8 to 1 general 5 to 1 chef) that is 131584 + 2400 = 133984 Jedi XP
You need 1275000 jedi XP to fill one skill tree so I would have to master chef 9.5 times to get one tree.
For rifleman it takes 3800000 Rifle XP plus 415000 combate XP and 620 AP to master. If I convert it to Jedi XP (30 to 1 rifle, 3 to 1 combat) that is 126666 + 183333 = 309999 Jedi XP
Again you need 1275000 jedi xp to fill one skill tree so I would have to master rifleman 4.1 times to get the tree.
Now you do only need 6 trees done and if the trees are in the same skill box you save 50000 jedi XP on each skill that is in the same profession. So that is 4950000 jedi XP for 4 tress and 2500000 for the second two. In gettting my six boxes using rifleman (4 skill trees) and chef (2 trees) I would master 15.96 combat professions and 18.66 crafting professions for 34.62 professions mastered! (there are only 32 professions)
Is it just me or is something wrong with this?
At least with the old way you got to tryout each profession.
Why can't they lower the XP to a more normal leave and make each box requirer a quest to unlock it. This would put the focus on playing the game not spaming XP which is what goes on now. How else do you explain all the AFK grinders? They are too bored with gaining XP they want to play but you don't get enough XP if you just play so you have to grind.
Grexor
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:13 am
#25
You can't have it both ways. People cried about having to change professions, SOE came up with a new system that removes that complaint. Developers are opportunistic, they added in controls to prevend 24x7 grinding to get padawan in one week (exageration), and increased the XP requirement.
sthealth
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:19 am
#26
im grinding only the trees you need combat/weapons xp for and im not complaining, its about the right mark. i grinding swordsman/pikeman/master brawler and bit of medic and i can cap each weapon in 40 mins. which makes it very easy to get the lvl 4 box of a skill before the next phase. i also unlocked the pursuasion tree when i was a master doc, and i must admit that to grind it would have been alot of work. id need to cap 150 odd times to get lvl 4. its not hard to cap med xp, takes about 15 mins, less if i was a cm and threw area poisons at squill/geo cave but i cant be bothered running back and forth to the village every 10 mins. i suppose crafting xp would be the hardest, for me in particular cause i hate crafting and like killing stuff.
just my 2 cents