Bio Engineer Archive

Thread: Horrible way to treat the users, unacceptable!!!!

Themble
Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:58 am
#14

RIght bindy, and I'm saying I don't blame the devs for not being overconcerned about the 10kHAM 10CL crowd when it comes to patching up their mistakes.



Rei' Master Bio-Engineer/CH (Blue Skulls)

can != should

The combat system will be 'balanced' when NPC's and PC's have the same HAM.
Navao
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:00 am
#15






TerraIncognito wrote:

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.


It's not like there weren't dozens of people here on this forum trying to warn everyone that this was going to happen. I agree that the way it was handled sucks. However, a little more patience and lot lessgreed would have prevented this whole thing. /shrug



Tarra Incognito - Intrepid





does this mean that everytime we want to buy something we have to go to all the forums and spend days reading all kinds of garbage to find out if the devs are going to steal something before we buy it? EVEN MORE UNACCEPTABLE!
MTDewback
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:00 am
#16

Go GO one star bandit GO!!



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My holocron said "SELL ME FOR $$$" so i did.
Soha
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:02 am
#17

Most of this mess could of been preventedwith a simple post by the developers saying this was a bug or exploit. Instead they sat back and said nothing, giving the implication that it was fine and not an issue.


There was no reason for their silence. This was a widely publicized issue, so they weren't going to be tipping off unsuspecting players by making a statement.


But that's not the biggest problem. The big problem is that we now have no clue what pets are valid and which aren't. Are CL 35 Gurrecks with nice resists, light armor, and strong poison valid? Who knows. I havebeen in the market to buy a couple pets like that, because it's going to take me a lot of time to master BE. I figure the money I throw down for the pets now will be offset by doing missions faster and gathering meat faster. But now I can't buy any pets, because they may be 100% trash.


The developers actions here alsowill result in a lack off trust towards Bio Engineers, and everyone will pay the price whether they participated in the <CL 10 bug or not.

BindyBalaroo
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:03 am
#18

so some people are less important then others? that a nice attitude to have. Ya know i bought my pet BEFORE i came to these boards and my BE didnt say anything to me about it being broken and she didnt even charge me so I didnt think it was that crazy rare, she seemed to think it was an improvment to BE's from the last patch and she was excited about her new abilities. So excuse me I wasnt trying to buy something i had ANY clue was broken.


You seem to think they have a manual for this game or a set of rules everyone is magically aware of. I was shocked when i came here and read it was a bug. Then i read some more and realize yeah it is cause I didn't realize those stats were amazing, I wasnt a CH or a BE< i dont know anything about level CL's or resists or armor. I only learned all that stuff over the last 2 days to TRY AND FIND out if it was a bug by looking at the facts. Your just one of those people who thinks you know everything and everyone else is wrong if they arnt up to your "level". Again you miss my point.




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Aoccdrnigto a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
MTDewback
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:08 am
#19

There is only one manual for our class: http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board?board.id=bio-engineer


Well theres also Talthazars site which is pretty **edit** good. For those of us who haunt the forums the patch wasnt really a suprise, hell alot of us have even been asking for this, espcially the MCH's, Just curious to see if it affects all the upper end 60+ cl pets i made.




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Bio Engineer Goods for sale on my vendor at +5345, -4498 near mos eisly.

My holocron said "SELL ME FOR $$$" so i did.
TerraIncognito
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:13 am
#20








Navao wrote


does this mean that everytime we want to buy something we have to go to all the forums and spend days reading all kinds of garbage to find out if the devs are going to steal something before we buy it? EVEN MORE UNACCEPTABLE!





No, it means use a little common sense..ifsomething seems too good be true, it probably is. Maybe if everyone had *my* mom this whole thing could have been prevented.


The bottom line is.. there are many BE's who recognized that these pets were absurd, and they practiced self-control and didn't make them. Those BE's are not going to be dealing with angry customers today and scrambling to get their pets off their vendors and the bazaar.


SOE has made it obvious time and time again that a properly functioning game, a clear system of documentation and good customer service are too much to ask for. Yet, we're all still here, so if you didn't learn the last time they "fixed" something this.. take note this time.. it's gonna happen again.


I totally agree that it sucks.. I'm just not surprised, that's all.


Ameoba
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:15 am
#21

Exactly, I am worried about the 580 damage lvl 22-25's I've made. Am I going to have to deal with unhappy customers.



I have purposly stayed out of the CL 10 and less busness so that I wouldn't have to deal with this.



This is a horrible way to fix a horrible bug, that could have been prevented with just a little bit of official



DOCUMENTATION


It would have saved us a lot of trouble and work. Should we really be doing their for for them? I mean hats off to you guys doing the footwork, but come on.




-- Namael Psychomachiae
--- Bio-engineer and Propagandist

"Everything is Working as Intended"
BindyBalaroo
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:17 am
#22

so we pay to play a game were you can "make things" that you shouldnt make? And people are supposed to use "self control" and not use the abilities that are given to them because they somehow figure out they are "bad" and will one day be "removed".



Tesra Elation & Starphire Elation (lvl 80 jedi??) @ Dantooine
Aoccdrnigto a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Themble
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:20 am
#23

Yes. The devs are neither omniscient or omnipotent.


Yes. Use your common sense.





Rei' Master Bio-Engineer/CH (Blue Skulls)

can != should

The combat system will be 'balanced' when NPC's and PC's have the same HAM.
TerraIncognito
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:22 am
#24






BindyBalaroo wrote:
so we pay to play a game were you can "make things" that you shouldnt make? And people are supposed to use "self control" and not use the abilities that are given to them because they somehow figure out they are "bad" and will one day be "removed".





Well.. yes.


Or don't play, or just keep ignoring obvious flaws in the system when they come upandthen getting upset when they get "fixed".


CobaltBloom
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:28 am
#25

is this bug fix just in regards to the CL10 pets that came out uber? or is this in regards to all pets. i sure hope i dont have customers coming back to me now saying they want their money back because they can no longer call their CL68 creature that i made them. that would suck having to remember who bought what and for how much to refund their money. ugh. im hoping it is JUST the CL10 uber pets that were deemed invalid and cannot be called.





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Soha
Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:28 am
#26

From reading other threads it looks like a lot more than the CL 10 pets are broken now. The one thread said 90% of his pets can't be called, and all second generation pets are invalid.


It's starting to look like a massive nerf to BE's, and not just a simple fix of bugged non CH pets. If that's the case just about all BE's will be scrambling today, and probably a few visiting the ole cancel account button as well.

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