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Thread: Devs please consider this as an option to Sampling Issues
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Kakabus
Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:16 am
#1
Quick and easy. Put DNA sampling in the Scout Profession and remove camps. Nobody uses camps and it is nearly impossible to grind MBE sampling tree if your not a combat profession. A BE can still do the Cloning line through med xp and if you want to make pets, hire a sout to collect the samples. Since you are making Ranger less scout orientated and more Detection/Cloak based a Scout line would be perfect. You can move SL line from Survival to Exploration, but if you already have something in mind to improve camps use and dont want to remove it put the Sampling line in Hunting. I am grinding BE right now and about to give up trying to be Master because DNA sampling is impossible to do as a LVL 13.
Radone
Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:28 am
#2
I dont want to have to buy my DNA samples...
And i am pre crafter also - and Master BE, so it seems to be able to do the DANsampling trees - it just took ages...
(but that way you proof that you are crazy enough to be a BE *g*)
And i am pre crafter also - and Master BE, so it seems to be able to do the DANsampling trees - it just took ages...
(but that way you proof that you are crazy enough to be a BE *g*)
Kakabus
Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:38 pm
#3
Radone wrote:
I dont want to have to buy my DNA samples...
And i am pre crafter also - and Master BE, so it seems to be able to do the DANsampling trees - it just took ages...
(but that way you proof that you are crazy enough to be a BE *g*)
If "Pre Crafter" is meaning a Pre CU BE Crafter, then it was probably one of the easiest crafting professions to master. Since you could wear 90% comp armor and being a TKM to stack with BE worked really good then. But POST CU it is impossible to grind the DNA Sampling tree because they took out Exploration from the requirements and now I have hunting only. Unless I want to regrind master chef or something then im not picking up Exploration IV. But still.....The point is your CL...If they put DNA Sampling in the Hunting Line of Scout then you could still do your own sampling since it is a requirement to have that line, but having it in BE is just impossible. I got an idea...Drop BE and regrind it..then u will know what i mean.
Cindal
Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:25 pm
#4
Sorry, but I love sampling. Sampling and manipulating DNAIS what Bio-Engineering is all about - I'd rather see med crafting go bye bye. Most of it is worthless anyway.
Are you doing a booming business in Doc and CM enhancers? Are people beating down your door for A, B, and C stims? The few non-jedi combat wombats need D stims but they might as well make that magic like everything else.
Radone
Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:26 pm
#5
Kakabus wrote:If "Pre Crafter" is meaning a Pre CU BE Crafter, then it was probably one of the easiest crafting professions to master.
It means that there is a "u" missing.
Yes - i am BE since 2003 - but i NEVER was a fighter. I was always pure crafter.
Kakabus wrote:
Since you could wear 90% comp armor and being a TKM to stack with BE worked really good then.
I don't use a Composit armor (never did) and i am MasterBE, MasterMerchant and more ofthat non-fighting skills. I of course also have maskscent. there should be no BE without it.
Kakabus wrote:
But POST CU it is impossible to grind the DNA Sampling tree because they took out Exploration from the requirements and now I have hunting only. Unless I want to regrind master chef or something then im not picking up Exploration IV. But still.....The point is your CL...If they put DNA Sampling in the Hunting Line of Scout then you could still do your own sampling since it is a requirement to have that line, but having it in BE is just impossible. I got an idea...Drop BE and regrind it..then u will know what i mean.
To be true - i don't understand you. If you think with Exploration you can get it and without not - why you don't get exploration then?
Kaomond
Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:23 am
#6
Kakabus wrote:
Radone wrote:
I dont want to have to buy my DNA samples...
And i am pre crafter also - and Master BE, so it seems to be able to do the DANsampling trees - it just took ages...
(but that way you proof that you are crazy enough to be a BE *g*)
If "Pre Crafter" is meaning a Pre CU BE Crafter, then it was probably one of the easiest crafting professions to master. Since you could wear 90% comp armor and being a TKM to stack with BE worked really good then. But POST CU it is impossible to grind the DNA Sampling tree It is not impossible at all i have doone it twice since CU and it is exactly the same as beforebecause they took out Exploration from the requirements exploration never was one of the requirements and now I have hunting only. Unless I want to regrind master chef or something then im not picking up Exploration IVfor grinding you really dont need exploration at all as when grinding you can sample from non-aggro mobswhich you can do without mask scent, you onlyneed mask scentto sample fromaggro mobs. But still.....The point is your CL...If they put DNA Sampling in the Hunting Line of Scout then you could still do your own sampling since it is a requirement to have that line, but having it in BE is just impossible. DnA sampling is at least 30% of our proffession, you want us to lose 30% of our proffession?I got an idea...Drop BE and regrind it..then u will know what i mean. I have twice and it is no diferent now to what it was before, you just have to be a little more careful to watch the mobs reaction and be ready to escape.
Every one of you arguments has a counter argument or is based in false facts, back to the drawing board my friend
Dorelli
Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:48 am
#7
I think that the issue here is not whether you can sample or not with lower combat levels. It's whether you mind dying or not ...
Pre-CU, Dorelli was a really combatty - BE .. I'd go out to voritor dasher lairs, if they aggro'd ... so what? I'd kill 'em. I would stand in the middle of a pack of mutant rancors killing them, harvesting hide, wishing that they would just stop aggro'ing. I was buff'd and had a lot of the TK line - not all but i didn't need it all. The only time this did not work was when I equipped my slitherhorn instead of my vibroknuckler ... 
There were discussions about template on the forums. There were ALWAYS BE's like Bel who did not mind dying. Who snuck around and got the DNA from the critters and faced the aggro and died or else ran away to come back. They used the points that I put into combat for other things.
They never took out the need for the explore tree. It was never OFFICIALLY a part of BE but you really do need it if you are sampling DNA for making pets.
However, what HAS happened is this. If you are a BE and you are a combatty BE, you get to around level 55+ (depending on template). You have a smaller aggro radius than other lower combat level BE's ... but otherwise you are not supposed to have any greater advantage to sampling than any other BE with the same DNA sampling level. So basically we ALL hit the 'i can't kill this if it aggros' on me cap' and we are forced to adjust our game play to accepting death as part of game-play ...
Dor
PS. This is assuming the game is working as it is supposed to be working ... yellow dots are not supposed to aggro on you regardless of your combat level. So you should be able to sample any level of yellow dot creature - purely dependant on your DNA sampling skill level and therefore it should not be impossible to grind the DNA sampling tree.
So the question becomes this: IS THAT WORKING AS INTENDED OR IS IT BROKEN? if it is broken - ie. yellow dots aggro'ing people - then this needs to be bugged in game and our correspondant needs to get the information out to the devs.
I will be testing this this weekend ... encourage others to do so as well.
Cindal
Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:39 am
#8
I was never a combatty BE - was always a master dancer and master BE - died Pre-CU and die Post-CU. My current CL is 18 and will never go any higher.
On Test Center my BE is a CL55 and has a slight advantage with aggros under her CL but she still gets aggro'd. I am on Mustafar right now with my CL18. I had issues with mask but then I remembered I had jawa beer on me. My CL18 w/jawa beer went past the CL60-70 aggros safely while my fellow guildmembers who are of a higher CL but under CL60 were continually aggro'd. I wear mask scent modded clothing.
If you don't want to die don't do the sampling line and don't become a Master BE. Stick to the "safe" parts of BE and stick to crafting and going out to your harvesters. Unless, of course, you are afraid to do that as well. Perhaps you would like surveying to be added to some other profession as well.
Message Edited by Cindal on 10-30-2005 04:46 AM
Kakabus
Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:52 am
#9
Ok genius. What is your secret then...I have DNA Sampling II right now and still get triple incapped by LVL 22 creatures...It used to be the higher in DNA Sampling you go the easier it becomes to sample lower level creature...and the higher lvl ones you have a greater chance of sampling...But am I suppose to same 100 thousand lvl 4 womp rats? They will still probably aggro me just as easily..Heck..I even get successful samples and they still aggro me
Kaomond wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
Radone wrote:
I dont want to have to buy my DNA samples...
And i am pre crafter also - and Master BE, so it seems to be able to do the DANsampling trees - it just took ages...
(but that way you proof that you are crazy enough to be a BE *g*)
If "Pre Crafter" is meaning a Pre CU BE Crafter, then it was probably one of the easiest crafting professions to master. Since you could wear 90% comp armor and being a TKM to stack with BE worked really good then. But POST CU it is impossible to grind the DNA Sampling tree It is not impossible at all i have doone it twice since CU and it is exactly the same as beforebecause they took out Exploration from the requirements exploration never was one of the requirements and now I have hunting only. Unless I want to regrind master chef or something then im not picking up Exploration IVfor grinding you really dont need exploration at all as when grinding you can sample from non-aggro mobswhich you can do without mask scent, you onlyneed mask scentto sample fromaggro mobs. But still.....The point is your CL...If they put DNA Sampling in the Hunting Line of Scout then you could still do your own sampling since it is a requirement to have that line, but having it in BE is just impossible. DnA sampling is at least 30% of our proffession, you want us to lose 30% of our proffession?I got an idea...Drop BE and regrind it..then u will know what i mean. I have twice and it is no diferent now to what it was before, you just have to be a little more careful to watch the mobs reaction and be ready to escape.
Every one of you arguments has a counter argument or is based in false facts, back to the drawing board my friend
lammergeier
Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:17 am
#10
Kakabus wrote:
Ok genius. What is your secret then...I have DNA Sampling II right now and still get triple incapped by LVL 22 creatures...It used to be the higher in DNA Sampling you go the easier it becomes to sample lower level creature...and the higher lvl ones you have a greater chance of sampling...But am I suppose to same 100 thousand lvl 4 womp rats? They will still probably aggro me just as easily..Heck..I even get successful samples and they still aggro me
Kaomond wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
Radone wrote:
I dont want to have to buy my DNA samples...
And i am pre crafter also - and Master BE, so it seems to be able to do the DANsampling trees - it just took ages...
(but that way you proof that you are crazy enough to be a BE *g*)
If "Pre Crafter" is meaning a Pre CU BE Crafter, then it was probably one of the easiest crafting professions to master. Since you could wear 90% comp armor and being a TKM to stack with BE worked really good then. But POST CU it is impossible to grind the DNA Sampling tree It is not impossible at all i have doone it twice since CU and it is exactly the same as before because they took out Exploration from the requirements exploration never was one of the requirements and now I have hunting only. Unless I want to regrind master chef or something then im not picking up Exploration IVfor grinding you really dont need exploration at all as when grinding you can sample from non-aggro mobs which you can do without mask scent, you only need mask scent to sample from aggro mobs . But still.....The point is your CL...If they put DNA Sampling in the Hunting Line of Scout then you could still do your own sampling since it is a requirement to have that line, but having it in BE is just impossible. DnA sampling is at least 30% of our proffession, you want us to lose 30% of our proffession?I got an idea...Drop BE and regrind it..then u will know what i mean. I have twice and it is no diferent now to what it was before, you just have to be a little more careful to watch the mobs reaction and be ready to escape.
Every one of you arguments has a counter argument or is based in false facts, back to the drawing board my friend
exploration has NEVER been a requirement for BioE (though it was discussed for a while).
when the CURB hit, I was worried that DNA sampling would be problematic.
on Test Center, I surrendered DNA sampling. all of it. I re-ground it. I surrendered it. I did this FOUR TIMES.
on Tempest, I respec'd an unused combat toon to nBioE. I ground DNA sampling. I respec'd THAT to the remainder of BioE crafting (which took another five or six times).
I never needed armor or buffs, pre- or post- CURB. while getting xp, I NEVER sampled an aggro. if I was failing samples, I lowered my target CL. if I was succeeding, but getting little xp, I raised my target CL.
increased DNA sampling skill means increased aggro. at nBioE, a sample attempt basically has a chance to succeed, fail, succeed and kill, or fail and kill. at mBioE, however, a sample attempt offers more (and more dangerous) options: succeed, fail, succeed and aggro, fail and aggro, succeed and kill, or fail and kill. here's the catch: as you increase DNA sampling skill, you lower the chance to sample-kill (this is done so you can get more samples from a single donor... a noble goal... but it comes at a significant cost). by decreasing the chance of a kill, you INCREASE the chance of an aggro.
that said, at DNA2, you shouldn't be seeing many aggros.
however... and this is important... if you DAMAGE THE MOB at all, it will re-aggro you when you approach it. aggro'ing a mob, and doing a SINGLE POINT OF DAMAGE to it, will cause re-aggro until the mob is killed, or despawns. turn off autoattacks... or better yet, make /bactashot an auto-attack.
DNA sampling isn't hard. players look for shortcuts, macros, tips, tricks, and whatnot... but DNA sampling is probably the fastest solo elite xp I've seen ingame (I respec'd a testing toon with DNA sampling rather than ID... it's THAT easy). don't aim too high, don't let your inventory fill up, and keep at it.
Radone
Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:55 am
#11
Another useful thing: watch the clock, remember the timer, go incap, grumble a bit - and check how late it is.
If you got incap twice check how long you should better wait if you dont want to die...
And yes - thats boring. If you have survey you could update swgcraft while waiting for the timer *innocent*
But of course - that only work with mobs that don't deadblow ,)
If you got incap twice check how long you should better wait if you dont want to die...
And yes - thats boring. If you have survey you could update swgcraft while waiting for the timer *innocent*
But of course - that only work with mobs that don't deadblow ,)
Message Edited by Radone on 10-31-2005 09:56 AM
LuCha
Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:08 am
#12
Kakabus wrote:
Quick and easy. Put DNA sampling in the Scout Profession and remove camps. Nobody uses camps and it is nearly impossible to grind MBE sampling tree if your not a combat profession. A BE can still do the Cloning line through med xp and if you want to make pets, hire a sout to collect the samples. Since you are making Ranger less scout orientated and more Detection/Cloak based a Scout line would be perfect. You can move SL line from Survival to Exploration, but if you already have something in mind to improve camps use and dont want to remove it put the Sampling line in Hunting. I am grinding BE right now and about to give up trying to be Master because DNA sampling is impossible to do as a LVL 13.
I understand you may be having issues with DNA sampling, but maybe you are just going about it the wrong way. Its not that hard. I'm a lvl18 MBE and I go into the worst places ever to get DNA. Do I get knocked around a bit? sure. Does that bother me? not really. Should that bother me? maybe, but I have come to accept it as part of the game. Do I think scout should get the sampling line? uh.. no (bleeeeep) way!!! that is a BE toy and I'd never give that up.
If you have the time, you can try this: Head to any city with a lot of yard trash. Pull out a good pet or combat droid and tell it to guard you. Make youself a nice macro to /target, /follow, /sampledna, /sit, /stand, rinse-repeat. The pet / droid should take care of aggros. Your inventory will fill up eventually, but since you are halfway paying attention while doing some housework or some other rl productive thing, you can deal with your inventory when it becomes an issue. This will take longer than going out into the wild and sampling larger non-aggro critters, but it is safe.
Kakabus
Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:59 am
#13
LuCha wrote:
Kakabus wrote:
Quick and easy. Put DNA sampling in the Scout Profession and remove camps. Nobody uses camps and it is nearly impossible to grind MBE sampling tree if your not a combat profession. A BE can still do the Cloning line through med xp and if you want to make pets, hire a sout to collect the samples. Since you are making Ranger less scout orientated and more Detection/Cloak based a Scout line would be perfect. You can move SL line from Survival to Exploration, but if you already have something in mind to improve camps use and dont want to remove it put the Sampling line in Hunting. I am grinding BE right now and about to give up trying to be Master because DNA sampling is impossible to do as a LVL 13.
I understand you may be having issues with DNA sampling, but maybe you are just going about it the wrong way. Its not that hard. I'm a lvl18 MBE and I go into the worst places ever to get DNA. Do I get knocked around a bit? sure. Does that bother me? not really. Should that bother me? maybe, but I have come to accept it as part of the game. Do I think scout should get the sampling line? uh.. no (bleeeeep) way!!! that is a BE toy and I'd never give that up.
If you have the time, you can try this: Head to any city with a lot of yard trash. Pull out a good pet or combat droid and tell it to guard you. Make youself a nice macro to /target, /follow, /sampledna, /sit, /stand, rinse-repeat. The pet / droid should take care of aggros. Your inventory will fill up eventually, but since you are halfway paying attention while doing some housework or some other rl productive thing, you can deal with your inventory when it becomes an issue. This will take longer than going out into the wild and sampling larger non-aggro critters, but it is safe.
SORRY BUT I AM TOTALLY AGAINST AFK MACRO GRINDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually found a nice little lair of lvl 30 banthas that has a junk load of them in the initial spawn. So I just go through 2 spawns then run about 500-1k out and come back...It seems to repawn and I go through it again.
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