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Thread: DNA Sampling Help
Does anyone know the CL of each advancement level of DNA sampling? Example...Nov BE= CL 1-5, DNA 1=CL 6-10, DNA 2= CL 11-15 kind of thing? I am having one heck of a time finding creatures to sample being I only have DNA 1. I can get Bol Pack Runners easily...but I am looking for a little variety, even though I am a holo BE... I am enjoying the profession, mixing it with trying to get master doctor. Im not grinding thru it, been on it for amonth and in no rush to finish 
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I could be wrong but my understanding is the skill level applies to your chance of fail and aggro. It also applies to the quality of the DNA you get. You can sample anything below the CL70(ish) cap. I'm not sure if its 70 or 75. Regardless, at a low level BE your chance to fail on higher level animals is very high and the quality will most likely be low. You're still free to try and the points you get for a success will be high.
This was the case when I was working up the sample tree, but I finished it just before the 100% aggro bug hit us so its been a while.
I started charting the DNA amounts, CL levels and such when I first attained Novice BE. Now, as was stated in another post, it may very well be true that ANY level can sample up to a CL70 creature. However, your DNA won't be good and your chance of failure will be very higher unless you have higher level sampling. With that said, what I found was the following:
Novice BE - CL0 - CL20
DNA 1 - up to CL30
DNA 2 - up to CL40
DNA 3 - up to CL50
I'm still working on attaining DNA 4 so I won't comment on how high that particular level will go. These are just my observations on the levels with a high percentage of success. I have tried to sample creatures overCL50 at DNA3 but have had zero success. This isn't to say that someone out there hasn't done it though.
CreatureDNA XP CL
a quenker 265 23
a quenker ravager443 38
an Ancient Graul 596 50
I have only listed a few entries from my master list, which ismuch larger than this and contains more data regarding each creatures (i.e. resists, specials, harvests, etc...)
Hope this information is helpful.
The cap seems to be CL 75, as people can sample Mutant Rancors (75) but no one hassampled an Enraged Rancor (80). As there aren't any critters in between, the capis effectivlyCL75.
And I've yet tosee anyone provethey've sampled a Mutant Rancor at lower than MBE.Untill I hit MBE I never got a sample off a Mutant, and I tried it a lot, so people should avoid the urban myth that "any CL is possible at any sample skill level" unless someone has proof otherwise.
Spazzers wrote:
I could be wrong but my understanding is the skill level applies to your chance of fail and aggro. It also applies to the quality of the DNA you get. You can sample anything below the CL70(ish) cap. I'm not sure if its 70 or 75. Regardless, at a low level BE your chance to fail on higher level animals is very high and the quality will most likely be low. You're still free to try and the points you get for a success will be high.
This was the case when I was working up the sample tree, but I finished it just before the 100% aggro bug hit us so its been a while.
Good job Cylenthia!
Heres a few more blanks filled (love it if someone could confirm/settle DNA 4 by tring to sample a Bull Rancor with DNA 4 skill):
NBE - DNA Harvesting +15 -CL20
DNA 1 - DNA Harvesting +30 - up to CL30
DNA 2 - DNA Harvesting +45 - up to CL40
DNA 3 - DNA Harvesting +60 - up to CL50
DNA 4 - DNA Harvesting +75 - up to CL60(65??)
MBE - DNA Harvesting +100 - up to CL75
If anyone knows anything here is wrong (from doing it, not "I heard that...) please pipe up
meroc wrote:
(love it if someone could confirm/settle DNA 4 by tring to sample a Bull Rancor with DNA 4 skill):
Once I attain DNA 4 (a day or two) then I'll go try and sample one and I'll let you know what I find out Meroc.
Ok Meroc, as promised I attaind DNA Sampling 4 and tried to sample a Bull Rancor. I attempted the Sample 10 times and failed all 10 times. IMHO the DNA4 cap is at CL60. I welcome anyone to disprove this theory with solid evidence. Perhaps it is possible but has a very high failure rate. I'll attempt tomorrow when I'm back on Dathomir collecting samples and more field data. (Almost completed half or more of the creatures on Dathomir today).
a rancor/CL50 - DNA xp = 596
a kamurith defiler/CL50 - DNA xp = 596
a nocuous kamurith/CL46 - DNA xp = 544
These 3 and others where collected today and I've shown the amount of DNA xp they provide. One day I'll actually post my Excel data to my website and share it with the world.
I have DNA 2 currently and have managed to sample lvl 50 creatures but I have a very high failure rate. I might get a sample 1 out of 20 or 30 tries (so less than 5% of the time).
I do not know the lvl of arachne warriors but I am pretty sure the are around lvl 50 and i was able to get 2 samplesso far but it took over 50 tries to get them. I have also sampled venom-filled archne which are around lvl 40. Also, got some merek assassins.
I have attempted blurgs and boar wolves but have yet to get a sample...I believe cause the chance for success if very, very low. Prob under 1%.
If someone could give the actual lvls of the above creatures maybe we could get a formula together.
Eatost Apei
Thank you all so much for the information! Looks like a pretty popular question
EatostApei wrote:I have DNA 2 currently and have managed to sample lvl 50 creatures but I have a very high failure rate. I might get a sample 1 out of 20 or 30 tries (so less than 5% of the time).
I do not know the lvl of arachne warriors but I am pretty sure the are around lvl 50 and i was able to get 2 samples so far but it took over 50 tries to get them. I have also sampled venom-filled archne which are around lvl 40. Also, got some merek assassins.
I have attempted blurgs and boar wolves but have yet to get a sample...I believe cause the chance for success if very, very low. Prob under 1%.
If someone could give the actual lvls of the above creatures maybe we could get a formula together.
Eatost Apei
I wanted to follow up with you and post about the levels of the creatures that you mentioned:
Venom-Filled Arachne/CL36 - DNA Sampling XP = 418
Kinetic: 45%
Energy: 45%
Heat: 65%
Cold: 65%
Acid: 65%
Blast: 20%
Restraint: 20%
Electricity: 20%
Vulnerability:
- Stun
Special: 1 - Stunning Strike
Special: 2 - Strong Poison
Deathblows: YES
an Arachne Warrior/CL47 - DNA Sampling XP = 493
Kinetic: 30%
Energy: 30%
Heat: 60%
Cold: 60%
Acid: 60%
Vulnerability:
- Blast
- Stun
- Electricity
Armor: LIGHT
Special: 1 - Blinding Strike
Special: 2 - Strong Poison
Deathblows: NO
Didn't get a chance to find a Merek Assassin yet. I was able to collect Battlelords and several others. Also, the layout that you see above I have for pretty much ever creature on most planets (in an Excel spreedsheet). Hope this information is useful.
Sorry guys, but I think Spazzers is correct. I could sample Giant Sand Beetles at a skill DNA1. True that most of the samples were failures... maybe 1 out of 6 tries a success (and of Low Quality) until getting to the higher DNA 2 & 3 etc. But they were sample-able... and the XP points made it worth all the failures.
But get all your stats buffed (including mind buffs) from a Master Doc and Master Dancer/Musician... because agro'ing at the lower levels was often the case. At least the Giant Sand Beetles do not DB.
As to the extreme high level creatures >50, I never tried. So i cannot speak to that.
NorthWind1 wrote:Sorry guys, but I think Spazzers is correct. I could sample Giant Sand Beetles at a skill DNA1. True that most of the samples were failures... maybe 1 out of 6 tries a success (and of Low Quality) until getting to the higher DNA 2 & 3 etc. But they were sample-able... and the XP points made it worth all the failures.
But get all your stats buffed (including mind buffs) from a Master Doc and Master Dancer/Musician... because agro'ing at the lower levels was often the case. At least the Giant Sand Beetles do not DB.
As to the extreme high level creatures >50, I never tried. So i cannot speak to that.
No one questioned whether or not you could sample any creature at any level. What was questioned is the ability to sample successfully. The CL listing that was posted is more of a guide for 75%+ chance of success. The quality of the sample is directly related to the DNA skill level that a person has though. Also, the Giant Sand Beetle is only a CL30 creature which would put it in the range of someone with DNA1.
NBE > CL20
DNA1 > CL30
DNA2 > CL40
DNA3 > CL50
DNA4 > CL60 (possibly 65)
MBE > CL75
As for the way to sample. Each BE has their own method that is best for them. I personally zoomed around on my speeder, no armor, no buffs, and limited Pistoleer skills to get me out of danger. However, I haven't been killed yet and I'm up to DNA4. My personal favorite is to have MaskScent up (this is a definate), zoom up to the targeted creature, hit my macro ( /dismount speederbike; pause 1; /sampleDNA; /mount speederbike ) and then wait for the harvest. If the agro occurs, I zoom off, break agro and then reengage and/or reapply maskscent if necessary. This particular method is purely the way that I do it and I'm not stating one way is better than another. I will say that this method requires you to carry Muon Gold with you and to frequently use it (253 mind per sample without or 158 mind + action with). Hope the information helps and someone can get some sort of use out of it.