Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: what the heck?
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Jumbo_Fett
Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:13 pm
#1
You know, I was almost a Master Bounty Hunter for a short time, and realized that that profession was busted up pretty badly. I made the decision to drop the investigation grind for MBH, and just go Master Pistoleer, BH pistols 4.
I kicked quite alot of tail with that build, not tons, and not against master rifleman, master TKA. heck, I don't think anyone owns them.
Well, after realizing that I was bored with not having a skill to level, I dropped the BH pistols four, so that I could try some melee stuff. Picked up swordsman, heck, it's got a scythe, it's gotta be cool, right? Now I do tons of damage in PvE and still have my Master Gunfighter stuff to fall back on if things get hairy.
Here's the thing though.
In PvP now, I get rocked. Totally, and without mercy, rocked, by everyone on my server, basically. Fully buffed, Drunk on brandy, munching the Synthsteak, and holding my stun layered helmet in my hands, I march out onto the field of battle, only, 5 seconds later to find myself once again, in the cloning center.
Why is this? What exactly is the difference? Some accuracy mods, and eyeshot? I see every different build come my way, and I see them totally rock me, six ways from sunday. I got me a new geno sonic, not bad damage, but it was looted, so it's not uber or anything, and I think I know how to fight some. Maybe I'm not the best at it, but I know I'm not the worst. never the less, when it comes down to actually battle, I get totally "pwn'd" by every punk kid with a blaster. Or some knucks, for that matter. KD never sticks, and when it does, they're back up faster than you can say "nearest Cloning facility".
My Character's name is Medin Holliday, he's quite alot like Doc Holliday from years gone by. When I got the game, my thought was to do master doc, and master gunfighter, just so that I could Role play that.
Bounty Hunter sucked me into it's yawning abyss, and now I'm just a pistoleer with a bit of brawler mixed in.
I suppose this rant is about pistoleers.
When one thinks of the pistoleer, I'm sure most people think of the guy from the west. His eyes squinting against the sun, a pistol on his hip, and a twitchy trigger finger. The kind of guy no one wants to mess with, cause you never know. Is he faster? Is he cold? Can he shoot me with a bullet in his thigh?
In Star Wars Galaxies, the pistoleer is the profession you get for a couple of mods, because it stacks well with the other professions that use pistols. We aren't the steely-eyed gunslinger that our tag would have you believe. We're the average joe profession that everyone else takes to get a few defensive mods, and use their scatter or launcher pistol.
Maybe I yearn for the days when being a MASTER GUNFIGHTER meant I could fight with a gun. Maybe I'm just holding out hope that withone of these "Combat Rebalances" there will be something other than nerfs all around. There might actually be something new in the works.
Although, I for one, don't know how much longer I can hold out hope. I look at the in concept threads, and the in testing threads and see no hope. I see TH saying he's discussing it with the code writers. I see everyone saying "Wait for the Combat Rebalance"
Well, here's a question for you. What combat rebalance? They're putting in a stacking cap. Woohoo. They aren't capping the most abused defensive mods in the game, just the ones we use.
The give us new guns. WooHoo. So some Uber-l33t d00d can sit around and exploit his krayt and get him and all his buddies together and camp some geonosian spawns and make a 600 damage Geno blaster that actually is useless, cause everyone on every server that actually PvP's uses massive stun layers now. They give us a republic blaster with a bleed. A bleed that cycles for 17 damage. Man, that'll put a hurtin' on em'.
Let's see, what else is going into this "rebalance" Can't knockdown an ATST anymore... yeah, what you guys saw in the movies about how they're unstable, and a LOG can make them fall down. That's just not realistic. So we'll make them killing machinesso some some newb with a few points in smuggler can kill everyone he sees.
One thing they AREN'T rebalancing is the fact that almost ALL of our specials are broken, or don't work as intended. Pistol Melee defense 2? Disarming shot? Multi area pistol shot? (Okay, I know that one isn't broken, but it's a pet peeve of mine. So what we hit everything within 60 meters of us... Wow, what a great way to get killed.)
Oh, one more thing. We're up close shooters. Our job is to get up close to someone with a sword, and kill him with a gun. So what do they do? As if it wasn't hard enough as it is, they make it easier for the guy to whack us with his sword, knock us down, and give us a free trip home.
So I guess what I'm saying is this. I'm done with this profession until they fix it, or until World of Warcraft comes out. Whichever comes first. (I'm not holding my breath for a fix, I'm telling you that much)
I suppose what I'm asking is for everyone who feels like I do, to stop using their pistols. Drop the profession. Go do something else.
When they see the amount of pistoleers per server go down, they'll realize we have a problem. I mean, it's not enough to say it, we have to show them. Stop using the gimped out profession they're giving us, and use one that's not. God forbid any of you become riflemen, but well, it works, doesn't it?
I know, alot of people have worked hard to get their pistols up to where they are. I know alot of you have Master Gunfighter stacked with something else that actually makes it useful. But for god's sake, if you want pistoleer to be an okay profession to use, show them how you feel. No one that gets paid by Sony reads these forums anyway, because they don't care to hear little rants from people that don't have the grammar skills to perhaps get their attention.
In closing, I'm done with master gunfighter until it's fixed. I ask you all to join me in this.
Warrior-Pikeman007
Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:18 pm
#2
I think you really just suck at pvp and dont know how to use ur skills correctly..........
Adrastea111
Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:27 pm
#4
Yup. Sounds like it to me. I'm not even master pistoleer yet, and the other day i had a friendly duel with a mate who is MCM and 2 boxes shy of Master Rifleman. He's a buddy and we were both buffed, but I did incredibly well - almost got him, then he snuck in a nasty mind-drain and it was all over. Lasted ages though. Pistol is a viable pvp fighter, just need to get buffs and keep close.
I agree that we have a large number of issues, but as I was talking to my friend we both agreed that a lot of professions are broken. Some are broken so that they are overpowered (hello master riflemen !) but nonetheless there are a lot of non-functional specials for everyone. Just a question of learning to live with it, and doing what you can in the meantime.
Let's hope that the combat balance does that - create some balance. For now the large scale pvp is totally dominated by MCM's which is kinda stupid.
BeWary
Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:42 am
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lol, your rifleman CM friend let you live that long? He's nice, or he has no idea what he's doin. We blow. I used to think there was a way to make it work, I was a "pure" pistoleer untill I started the holo grind. Having done MANY combat proffs my eyes are open now. We are dabbler fuel and very little more.
Higginsis
Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:48 am
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Lol i loved pistoleer all the way up the prof, heck i still do, but when you do play other combat profs you realise how totally inadequate we are at PvP. I know its not a big part of the game, but every elite combat prof should be able to hold there own in PvP by them selves.
But even in PvE we still aren't that great, not bad but not particularlily good, this has became even more apparant since i started swordsman.
But even in PvE we still aren't that great, not bad but not particularlily good, this has became even more apparant since i started swordsman.
DRWolfe
Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:10 am
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Jumbo_Fett wrote:
Let's see, what else is going into this "rebalance" Can't knockdown an ATST anymore... yeah, what you guys saw in the movies about how they're unstable, and a LOG can make them fall down. That's just not realistic. So we'll make them killing machinesso some some newb with a few points in smuggler can kill everyone he sees.
Um. How doesnot being able to KD and ATST make some"newb with a few points in smuggler" able to kill everyone he sees? I'm a Master Smuggler, and I'm afraid owning an ATST is not related to being a Smuggler at all. I think you mean "any Imperial with a bunch of faction" can kill everyone he sees. And is KD's not the only way to kill these things, is it?
SoontierFel
Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:46 am
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DrWolfe
I think what's he's meaning is that since you can't knockdown an Atst anymore just some newb who happens to own an atst an has low blow can knockdown everyone he sees and have the atst kill them... maybe I'm wrong
DRWolfe
Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:56 am
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Oooookay. Just a strange thing to post. Smuggler's not the only prof with a KD special, and I don't think the ATST needs the help, does it? Don't know, never had one.
realvorda
Fri Mar 05, 2004 12:26 pm
#10
lets stay focussed here guys...
I agree... pure pistoleer sucks... but combined with smuggler it can do some nice things... still dont rock in pvp though... 1 on 1 I am almost unstoppable... but in real pvp (people shooting at you from everywhere) I go down just as fast as a novice scout (ok, maybe 2 secs later..).
and after the delay nerf... I wont have panic shot... dunno what to do next... might pick up TKA, already got unarmed 4 anyway..
Saret
Fri Mar 05, 2004 6:42 pm
#11
Warrior-Pikeman007 wrote:
I think you really just suck at pvp and dont know how to use ur skills correctly..........
I was so going to post that if you didn't.......
Drakool
Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:07 pm
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actually he is absolutely correct. you flamers about his combat skills ignore what he is really saying and minimizing his intentions to PVP. I just quit the game for the second time, I started out in July of last year right after release. I chose pistoleer as my choice because it looked cool and sounded sweet from the start.
little did I know how much it lacked in effectiveness of specials. I began to sense the profession was bugged through these very forums(along with many other proffesions) and saw many posts for "SCREAM LOUDER THEN THE OTHER CLASSES SO WE GET FIXED FIRST" posts.
I opted to add skills to my character taking medic and CH . before I could get the addon skills up I just decided the hell with it and cancelled my account total playing time 60 days.
I returned to SWG when SOE offered a free trial period to all players who cancelled their accounts last year
(good marketing scheme I wonder how many reopens they got from that besides mine) and I also decided that this time I would join the GCW going Imperial(was neutral first round) I was smitten by the vehicles and the rapidity that missions could be accomplished with them, But I was stil a pistoleer CH,medic ,Imp and I had to use all three to kill an NPC. If I went alone at a mob(equal) I would suffer major damage before He got 1/2 way (lucky for me the buggy system let me heal myself 99% of the time without switching off target)
Armor you say! Ubese then composite.brandy, and other drinks I could rock em, but in PVP just PVP
I too was rocked by other classes(dood your lucky that CM was friend I never met one who did not mind drain first, which broke my last straw in this game. sucks that one class can totally devestate an entire stat before you know you are under atack) The people who say wait for combat rebalance are not paying my account and I certainly will not pay for a trickle of fixes that the SOE team are feeding the few who remain loyal to their mortgages(SOE Mortgages that is you are paying for his house)
So I quit the game gave it all away and am never coming back I have one week left and will be looking forward to the name callers
THE ORIGINAL POSTER COULD HAVE SPOKEN FOR ME VER BATEM
mozter2112
Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:05 pm
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the last two time i've made BSN's i absolutely cannot get it past 85. i used to almost always get at least 86. no matter what resources i use, no matter how successful my experiments are, it won't happen. even if i get to 85 and still have room to experiment one more time and it's a great success....it stays at 85. anyone else having this problem? it's quite frustrating.
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