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Thread: brand new +17 unarmed dmg/terrain negotiation
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JoriQ
Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:33 am
#1
Pretty snazy, but they don't seem to make a difference to my damage. Is this a bug or some other issue? I have tested it in everyway I can think of examining all the numbers I can see. I always do exactly the same damage. Thanks,
P.S. I checked the forums cause I'm sure this has been addressed but I couldn't find the thread.
Tunturi
Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:21 pm
#2
From my experience I don't think any of the tissues work... I know for a fact Surveying Tissues do not work.... I don't think the combat tissues work either.... I made some +16 Melee/Range Defense tissues in a pair of pants and a shirt so the total would hit the cap of +25. I had my friend strip to nothingness and I shot him with a gun several times to get a base line for how much damage he was taking. Then I had him put the bio clothes on and shot him several more times. The damage he took did not change. So this leads me to beleive that bio tissues do not work at all even tho they show a incrase in that skill lvl.
From what I can tell Bio Engineers are only good fro making Stim's and Cooking Tissues....
Dorelli
Thu Aug 11, 2005 4:30 pm
#3
with regard to the surveying tissues - has anyone tested if the chance of a better/bigger/successful sample occurs with the survey clothing? I always wondered it that is what they are 'good' for rather than bumping up the range of a survey tool to the next level. Apologies if this is a FAQ - I wasn't following the post-CU testing of tissues much.
Dor
Seiryuu
Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:23 pm
#4
The maskscent and taming bonuses work. The Terrain Negotiation might have at one point, but I have not tried them personally. A lot of the newer modifiers do not work though.
lammergeier
Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:19 pm
#5
last I heard:
survey tissues do nothing. survey food and FS mods work.
maskscent/camo works... as much as maskscent and camo work (more an artifact of CL than skill).
terrain negotiation works. unarmed damage MAY work, but only TRUE unarmed (ie: NO weapon, not even a knuckler)... reports vary, but I've heard NO reports of it ever working with a weapon.
healing eff works... less now than before p21.
cure eff may work, but doesn't do anything worthwhile. aug eff was listing as a bad code string, and not working... if it HAS been fixed, it will only increase the DURATION and not the EFFICACY of the buff.
myoflex is lost for now.
melee/ranged defense have NOT been shown to work. of course, they may be working, but +25 may be too small to see any difference in incoming damage.
taming tissues may work. or not.
concerning ALL BioE mods:
+25 is the cap. +25 IS THE CAP. any display that indicates a value past +25 is a display error.* the 'best' BioE mods are +13... two of them clear +25 total, and the resources needed for a +13 are much more affordable/available than a +17...+19 mod.
no item of clothing can take more than one RFP enhancement. very few items can take a single RFP enhancement. SC enhancements are FAR more common.
*a toon can see (and use) a bonus BEYOND +25 with spice, food, or squad leader bonuses.
survey tissues do nothing. survey food and FS mods work.
maskscent/camo works... as much as maskscent and camo work (more an artifact of CL than skill).
terrain negotiation works. unarmed damage MAY work, but only TRUE unarmed (ie: NO weapon, not even a knuckler)... reports vary, but I've heard NO reports of it ever working with a weapon.
healing eff works... less now than before p21.
cure eff may work, but doesn't do anything worthwhile. aug eff was listing as a bad code string, and not working... if it HAS been fixed, it will only increase the DURATION and not the EFFICACY of the buff.
myoflex is lost for now.
melee/ranged defense have NOT been shown to work. of course, they may be working, but +25 may be too small to see any difference in incoming damage.
taming tissues may work. or not.
concerning ALL BioE mods:
+25 is the cap. +25 IS THE CAP. any display that indicates a value past +25 is a display error.* the 'best' BioE mods are +13... two of them clear +25 total, and the resources needed for a +13 are much more affordable/available than a +17...+19 mod.
no item of clothing can take more than one RFP enhancement. very few items can take a single RFP enhancement. SC enhancements are FAR more common.
*a toon can see (and use) a bonus BEYOND +25 with spice, food, or squad leader bonuses.
blomax
Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:00 am
#6
To put a stop to this broken BE mods rumor:
they DO work (ok maybe not all, but i def. know defense works, reduces damage taken from 200 to 195 for me), BUT:
when testing changing clothes, the stats will only be applied when either:
logging off for 15 minutes OR (easier) changing weapons.
*goes back to the tailor grind to put out some nice BE clothes*
ps: oh yes, like previous poster said: all stats are capped at 25, that you see more is a display bug.
mikedealer
Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:37 am
#7
lammergeier wrote:
last I heard:
survey tissues do nothing. survey food and FS mods work.
maskscent/camo works... as much as maskscent and camo work (more an artifact of CL than skill).
terrain negotiation works. unarmed damage MAY work, but only TRUE unarmed (ie: NO weapon, not even a knuckler)... reports vary, but I've heard NO reports of it ever working with a weapon.
healing eff works... less now than before p21.
cure eff may work, but doesn't do anything worthwhile. aug eff was listing as a bad code string, and not working... if it HAS been fixed, it will only increase the DURATION and not the EFFICACY of the buff.
myoflex is lost for now.
melee/ranged defense have NOT been shown to work. of course, they may be working, but +25 may be too small to see any difference in incoming damage.
taming tissues may work. or not.
concerning ALL BioE mods:
+25 is the cap. +25 IS THE CAP. any display that indicates a value past +25 is a display error.* the 'best' BioE mods are +13... two of them clear +25 total, and the resources needed for a +13 are much more affordable/available than a +17...+19 mod.
no item of clothing can take more than one RFP enhancement. very few items can take a single RFP enhancement. SC enhancements are FAR more common.
*a toon can see (and use) a bonus BEYOND +25 with spice, food, or squad leader bonuses.
i think we are missing the point on what melee/ranged defense mod actually does, You WONT see a difference in incoming damage, its the chance/percentage of being shot/missed when being attacked. SO if you have 100 melee defense, you will get hit often, if you have 300 +500 cob you will be hit alot less. Not less Damage
Seiryuu
Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:54 am
#8
The Taming tissues do work. They made a significant difference pre-CU and a worthwhile one post.
Nema0879
Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:33 pm
#9
Healing efficiency works well for me as well, I was healing for about 130 points more, not using enhancers at 4000 CM ....
SwordSargeant
Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:44 am
#10
Terrain Negotiations works for sure, and crafting experimentation as well. I noticed it on my alt.
lammergeier
Sat Aug 13, 2005 1:39 pm
#11
SwordSargeant wrote:
Terrain Negotiations works for sure, and crafting experimentation as well. I noticed it on my alt.
crafting experimentation?
Ahin-Eclipse
Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:19 am
#12
Just an added Note about Taming Tissues. - 8/13/05
I am currently CH 0100 with no ability to Tame Vicious Creatures. W/o my Taming Clothes on, I receive a message "You are unable to Tame this Creature", I put my +14 Clothes on, and I successfully tame a Giant Carrion Spat (CL 14, Vicious). I would have to say they work, thus I am looking for Taming clothes to get me the remaining +11.
Ahin - Eclipse MScout, CH
Harot - Eclipse MDE, MArch, Armorsmith
Sumpawump
Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:14 pm
#13
Seiryuu wrote:
The Taming tissues do work. They made a significant difference pre-CU and a worthwhile one post.
Yep. They definitely work. 
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