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Thread: REAL THREAD SORRY I took up a dare to from the Chefs to post this thread on pricing BE components
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Samonrye
Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:01 pm
#1
Greetings,
I wish there was a way to shorten that title but alas I could not figure it out. It has been said in a couple of the Chef pricing threads that the BEs would laugh a Chef off these boards if we came over and asked the following....
#1 - Would you sell me a case of Micro Nutrients for under 40k?
#2 - Would you consider just selling me the schematic at a fair price?
Those two are the hot topics per say.
There seems to be two factions of Chefs, those that charge fair market value and those that charge a fair price regardless of the supply demand theory. Group one, the fair market Chefs, say that the people will pay 250K for a case of brandy so why not charge it? While Group two, the fair price Chefs, only charge cost Xs 2 or X% markup (this could be 75k -150k for brandy depending on the BE component). With this in mind I would like to hear your opinion of the answers to the two questions divided out into the two Chef groups....in other words....
#1 Fair Market Chefs - No way I would sell nutrients for that little, I deserve a bigger piece of the pie that the Chefs are getting!
Fair Price Chefs - Yes, since they are not gouging thier customers I could see lowering my cost to those particular Chefs.
My thoughts are, because I know such a BE, that a fair price chef like myself can meet a fair price BE and both be succesful.
Your thoughts please. or laugh me off these boards
Sorry bout the posting problems.
GFoyle
Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:37 pm
#2
I charge a fair price apparently 
. Basically I charge at resale price of components + x% (otherwise I mayas well sell resources......)
In answer to your questions:
#1 - Would you sell me a case of Micro Nutrients for under 40k?
My current price for Micro Nutrients is 19875cr/case (plus city tax of 2%) - prices range from that (the lowest) to 67500 for Multisaccaride Pentamate, Broad Spectrum nutrients go for 31500/case.
In comparison to other BE's this is insanely cheap - but I deal in bulk which gives me a turnover of about 2 million a week with a decent profit.
#2 - Would you consider just selling me the schematic at a fair price?
This is tricky - since I make and sell supplements I'd be slitting my own throat to sell the schematics at a "fair" price. Most peope who ask for this are usually looking to save cash. The current deal I run is that if people give me the components I'll make them into supplements for 10K a case. I guess based on this structure I could sell schematics - a full 1000 case run costing 400k!
Bear in mind I make and sell ALL supplements and have them in stock at almost all times, consequently any schematic sold is replacing a product sale.
Fair pricing does work - but requiresquite a bit of effort to make a profit off. TBH I suspect most "fair market" sellers are mainly avoiding all those nasty calculations (since on a 1000% profit a few % error won't make much difference!).
Durabatr
Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:44 am
#3
On kauri, BE additive market is less and less interesting.
We can find some BE/fighter class that sell 15k a crate of broad spectrum nut.
And for the lesser discounter, its sold at around 30k a crates.
So if you cant get a large amount of meat yourself, then u cant compete the market and even with 38k a crates you have hard time to sell them.
meroc
Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:36 am
#4
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Samonrye wrote:
Greetings,
I wish there was a way to shorten that title but alas I could not figure it out. It has been said in a couple of the Chef pricing threads that the BEs would laugh a Chef off these boards if we came over and asked the following....
#1 - Would you sell me a case of Micro Nutrients for under 40k?
LOL, I sell BSN for under 40k, and there are others that undersell me. MNS I'd probably sell at around 15k depending on the bonus.
#2 - Would you consider just selling me the schematic at a fair price?
For a fair price, yes I would. Say 30% of the total cost I'd otherwise stand to sell that (made up)product for....
Those two are the hot topics per say.
There seems to be two factions of Chefs, those that charge fair market value and those that charge a fair price regardless of the supply demand theory. Group one, the fair market Chefs, say that the people will pay 250K for a case of brandy so why not charge it? While Group two, the fair price Chefs, only charge cost Xs 2 or X% markup (this could be 75k -150k for brandy depending on the BE component). With this in mind I would like to hear your opinion of the answers to the two questions divided out into the two Chef groups....in other words....
#1 Fair Market Chefs - No way I would sell nutrients for that little, I deserve a bigger piece of the pie that the Chefs are getting!
Fair Price Chefs - Yes, since they are not gouging thier customers I could see lowering my cost to those particular Chefs.
My thoughts are, because I know such a BE, that a fair price chef like myself can meet a fair price BE and both be succesful.
Your thoughts please. or laugh me off these boards
Sorry bout the posting problems.
Actually, I see the issue as being fairly complicated. There are those that sell for "what it's worth" and those that sell for "what it costs". Neither "side" is "wrong" per se.One is a "nut's and bolt's" business type person, the other an entrepreneur. Ifpeople can get away with charging4-5 times what an item costs to manufacture, then we only have ourselves to blame (as in "real life").
Luxorblack
Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:07 am
#5
I must be seriously underselling my stuff.
My MS crates are 40+'s for just over 4K and 50+'s for just over 8K...
Unless you don't mean crates when you say "case".
fantoq
Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:45 am
#6
What I see is that if we all look at truthful total costs, this just spirals out of control due to the interdependency of professions.
Docs and BEs use brandy (probably others, but those are the two I know). If I pay 250K for a case of Brandy, I'm gonna raise my prices across the board to cover that. CH's end up paying more for pets and raise their prices for selling meat. Docs raise buff prices; same effect on all fighting classes and same effect on resources.
A fair price creates a good long lasting market. What the market will bear is a temporary thing and you may find yourself standing with a tin cup outside the starport if you have no regular customers.
Spazzers
Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:49 am
#7
Anymore I just sell schematics so yes, I'd sell a schematic at a fair price. I charge a flat rate depending on the item count the schematic makes.
See, you didn't get laughed off the BE forum. You actually got clear honest answers. 
Cephalo
Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:50 am
#8
I sell my stuff for what I can get for it quickly. If someone asks me for something, I make them convince me to do it. If I have something in stock with no buyer, I tend to sell it much more cheaply.
meroc
Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:12 am
#9
I'd say you'reloosing money selling it at that!
Goingon standard rates, a crate of MS's cost's10,000 even before youadd anything on to it for profit (15 meat @ 15cr = 225 + 35 flora @ 5 cr = 175; 225 + 175 = 400 x 25 = 10,000. (The meat price could well be too low at 15, a lot of people use 20-50 CPU for good meat in large stacks depending on the type).
The resources for a crate of BSN@ cost15k.
The main point from this?
If you are collecting your own resources, you could actually sell your resources for more than you are selling your final product
If you aren't collecting them yourself,and your paying standard prices, it costs you more to make them than what you make from a sale.
Luxorblack wrote:
I must be seriously underselling my stuff.
My MS crates are 40+'s for just over 4K and 50+'s for just over 8K...
Unless you don't mean crates when you say "case".
Centurion
Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:55 am
#10
fantoq wrote:What I see is that if we all look at truthful total costs, this just spirals out of control due to the interdependency of professions.Docs and BEs use brandy (probably others, but those are the two I know). If I pay 250K for a case of Brandy, I'm gonna raise my prices across the board to cover that. CH's end up paying more for pets and raise their prices for selling meat. Docs raise buff prices; same effect on all fighting classes and same effect on resources.
I've tried to price my crates of chef tissues fairly for just this reason. On Naritus most chefs sell a crate of brandy (haven't noticed if it's BE or not) for 300k. There are a few who will sell it for 150-165k. I price mine at 5 cpu for flora and 15 cpu for meat, which yields a price which is about 1/3rd of what the high sellers are using. I don't have a vendor so all my sales so far are auctions or special orders from previous customers. I have a running deal for 40k/crate for nanos. I've got a special order I'm finishing up for 75k/crate for BSNs but he wanted a full 1k run. Micros I sell to a preferred customer who I did doc resource harvesting for at 10250 cred/crate. And all my customers have given me crates of food or big discounts on it.
Luxorblack
Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:08 am
#11
5cpu for flora and 15cpu for meat?
Jesus.
I've been paying (max)2.5cpu for flora and (max) 6cpu for good quality meat.
I think I'm either just very lucky or on a veryunique galaxy.
XpNsVe
Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:41 am
#12
Luxorblack wrote:
5cpu for flora and 15cpu for meat?
Jesus.
I've been paying (max)2.5cpu for flora and (max) 6cpu for good quality meat.
I think I'm either just very lucky or on a veryunique galaxy.
Every server differs in pricing.
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