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Seven to Ten times per day I get tells, sometimes snotty tells too, demanding that I create them a schematic. Had one guy yesterday e-mail and demand that I make him 5 schematics. Needless to say I have a standard response for these, No.

I wonder if a Chef would give up their schematics for Vasarian Brandy or if an armorsmith would give up their schematic for Composite Armor pieces.

I know that there are some BE's out there that gladly sell their schematics for pennies on the dollar, but this is my business, but these schematics have netted me several Million credits and I hold them tightly.

Anyhow, /rantoff

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Cylenthia_Tavishaun wrote:
Seven to Ten times per day I get tells, sometimes snotty tells too, demanding that I create them a schematic. Had one guy yesterday e-mail and demand that I make him 5 schematics. Needless to say I have a standard response for these, No.

I wonder if a Chef would give up their schematics for Vasarian Brandy or if an armorsmith would give up their schematic for Composite Armor pieces.

I know that there are some BE's out there that gladly sell their schematics for pennies on the dollar, but this is my business, but these schematics have netted me several Million credits and I hold them tightly.

Anyhow, /rantoff

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i know where you are coming from. I either get tells about making schematics or chefs want additives dirt cheap, yet they turn around and sell a crate of brandy for 100-300K. I make em when I make em, chefs dont like it too dam bad. I dont see how u can cry poor and only offer to pay 10k for a crate of additives then turn around and sell a crate of food for 100-300k

I only sell schems to guildies (actually I pretty much trade those for crates of brandy, hee) and one chef. The chef outside the guild I sell schematics to because I just plain cannot keep up with his demand for additives. I sell schematics at 200k and really, he is the only one who has asked for them. And he has already said he would rather buy runs from me instead, but I can't gather the resources for it. I get 2-3 runs per shift, sometimes not even that if he wants heavies (which he does now, hehe). I have probably sold him 15-20 schematics so far, and it is more than enough money for me (blew about 2 million getting a killer scythe and 8 acklay powerhammers, hee, can't see anything else I'll be buying though).

I was thinking about this today after having spoken with a few chef friends of mine. If they provide the resources, I have offered to sell the crates for 10K per crate up to 5 crates or 5K per crate for bulk. When I figured it all up, a run of 1000 would be 5k per crate or 200K for the schematic. For these particular chefs, due to their large demands, I've thought about just selling them the schematic for 200K and letting them run them. This would free up my factories for my Tissues & petstims. However, I'm not going to sell my schematics to just anyone off the street. And especially not to someone I don't know that demands I make them 5 schematics for 10K each.

Hehe, you'd either have to be a moron or a very very very nice person to sell to a snobby, inconsiderate chef for 10k a schematic. I didn't get to be a master over night. Now maybe if the BE were at tissues 0/1/0/0 his micro nutrient schematic might be worth only 10k, but even then it is iffy, since the absolute minimum strength is 30, and he just might get a good experiment to push it up to 32. But if you are selling a 55+ micro schematic? No way, I won't sell any schematic that ends up 5 or less below max for anything but 200k for a full run. I basically sell my schematic at 200cr per tissue. Gives me good profit without the hassle, and I've never even had a chef haggle over the price of my schematics, they generally think it is more than fair.

And if they don't, well, I'm not in this to make them happy if they aren't willing to make me happy too, so they can find another sucker to sell them a schematic for cheap. You should expect at least a 50% markup if you buy the crates themselves, so on a full 1000 tissue run this ends up being around 600-800k profit for the BE. Buying schematics saves the chef considerably (you could probably charge a lot more for schems and you'd still get buyers) as long as he is capably of supplying the ingredients himself, and the BE doesn't have to hassle with it. Now, for max profit you still need to make them yourself, but I'm perfectly fine settling for less hassle.

Hi guys, I'm relatively new to the BE profession 1-2-4-2, something I inted to keep along with MCH. I've seen a lot of talk about schematics and selling but I have no clue what you mean? A certain type? Why would anyone want to sell a schematic? Why do the chefs want them so much? What are they making with them?

Sorry if my question seems a little naieve.

Linchung

The deal is chefs need BE additives for their foods. Although it is not a requirement to make food with BE additives, you do get laughed at pretty badly if you try to sell food without the additives. The additives increase the power of the food greatly. So rather than buy the additives from BEs and have that cut into an already nice profit margine, the chef wants to have a schematic made of the additive for them so they can make it themselves.

Personally I have a pet wookie that makes the schematics for me and he even loads them into the factories himself. Now that is service and doesn't cost me a thing, he is just a pet wookie after all. Course when he gets that look on his face, you know that wookie look they get before they tear your arms off, I tend to toss him a bone, like a kryat enhanced DX6 rifle or maybe a 1 mil tip. That short of thing. But really that is just because I am nice fish.

The additude most BEs face is due to most chefs being rather resentful that they must use BE additives or they are out of business. Most would like to do away with them so they can make the food all by themselves. Personally I think they need to get themselves a pet wookie and be done with it.

As for the rude chefs, two things, /ignore, and my pet wookie's title is Hunter for a good reason. Though the only thing he hunts these days is DNA. Even he is too good to be a mear meat collector.

I guess a brawler should be able to make their own armor or a pistoleer should make their own guns.

A chef doesn't have to go to a BE as you've mentioned but if they want a better product they will need our help. The same goes with tailors. The part that strikes me as odd is tailors treat me with so much more respect than chefs. I have found a very nice chef that I make schematics for. I charge her based on the quantity of the build. She always tips me more than I ask. I'll make schematics for her anytime she wants because of the respect she extends to me.

If someone demanded schematics from me and told me what the price would be I'd belly laugh at them and walk away.

Ok rude people are rude people and deserve to be ignored. But, as the leader a of a guild that has had multiple master BE's and Chefs (including ones from way back), let me elaborate on a few things.

One, Chefs have a very hard time finding BE's that would just sell the finished additives. Two, Chefs are required to have the BE additives to be remotely competitive. Three, Chefs in general have to gather up all the resources needed for the BE additives if they want a chance of getting them made. Four, BE attitudes are all over the place on making schematics, but basically a large number are very snobbish about taking a few hundred of some resources that a Chef collected at no cost/trouble to the BE and then experimenting on a one line schematic for them spending less than 5 minutes to do several and that's with failures.

These bad analogies don't help that attitude either, as Chefs aren't asking you for schematics for all the subs for petstims and then asking for schematics for final combine on petstims, which would be comparable to the general comment on BE's asking for schematics of Vasarian Brandy and the like. I have tested the Chef side of that asking chefs to make me schems of desirable foods using subs I had and guess what--some would and some wouldn't. It's just that the situation isn't really comparable.

Padre

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PadreBook wrote:
Ok rude people are rude people and deserve to be ignored. But, as the leader a of a guild that has had multiple master BE's and Chefs (including ones from way back), let me elaborate on a few things.

One, Chefs have a very hard time finding BE's that would just sell the finished additives. Two, Chefs are required to have the BE additives to be remotely competitive. Three, Chefs in general have to gather up all the resources needed for the BE additives if they want a chance of getting them made. Four, BE attitudes are all over the place on making schematics, but basically a large number are very snobbish about taking a few hundred of some resources that a Chef collected at no cost/trouble to the BE and then experimenting on a one line schematic for them spending less than 5 minutes to do several and that's with failures.

These bad analogies don't help that attitude either, as Chefs aren't asking you for schematics for all the subs for petstims and then asking for schematics for final combine on petstims, which would be comparable to the general comment on BE's asking for schematics of Vasarian Brandy and the like. I have tested the Chef side of that asking chefs to make me schems of desirable foods using subs I had and guess what--some would and some wouldn't. It's just that the situation isn't really comparable.

Padre

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This is where you go horribly wrong. The cost to the BE is the skill. That is why chefs go to master BE's and not a novice BE

You're real quick about pointing out how hard it is for the chefs and in the same breath call the BE's snobs. Its almost as if you think a BE won't make a schematic just out of spite. Let me tell you, chefs can be very demanding and they get very critical at the cost involved. Is the BE a snob for not making a schematic or is the chef arrogant for demanding a particular price?

Asking a chef for a schematic is identical to asking a BE for a schematic. A schematic is a schematic. Yes, I'd have to ask for a group of schematics from a chef but chefs don't ask me for one particular schematic. They ask fora variety of them.Using your reasoning, if I collect all the resources a chef should just take a sample, experiment, and give me a schematic. Its no cost/trouble to the chef at all right? Should they charge me little or nothing knowing full well how much money I can make from those schematics? The situation is exactly the same for a BE.

Actually most chefs are very nice

I think the reason that there are so many stories of the rude cheapskate chefs is that a rude cheapskate chef has to ask 100 BEs and a polite fair chef usually only has to ask one

Don't let these players diminish your enjoyment of the game whether it's by making you distrust another section of the community or by letting them bombard you with snotty tells

Just /addignore and enjoy the game with the rest of the community