Bio Engineer Archive
Thread: Epic Pets CL 70 and evolving their stats beyond Repost
Ni-Tech wrote:
The original intention of this post wasnt to harm anyone, aparently theres alot of people that speak before actually thinking about what there about to say as the replies in this post have shown us. If you actually read my Post you'd know the stats shown on the CL 66 was a PROTOTYPE and yes since then I have succeeded on a CL 70 with 8900 health and 809 regen. The reason I didnt leave information as to high specifically to make these and left my IN GAME NAME so you could email me personally as many curtious people have and I have helped them greatly, but the reason i didnt post what i am emailing these others that have actually sent me an email is because of retards and idiot flammers that scream about what they either dont understand.
- Yes my prices are very very high
- No theres only 5 counting myself Master BE's on Kettemoor, check the bazaar lol thats a good way to see all the pets
- Yes my prices are this high for a reason, I cant remotely keep up witht he supply of demand my customers are asking, lol and you think my prices are high now, no there actually realistic considering a pet is a weapon for a profession just as a rifle is to a rifleman, and yes those go for 50,000 to 1,000,000 credits and higher, some rifles go for 20 million. So people whining and moaning about being unreasonable, I charge this much so people that cant afford them can buy from the other BE's so I dont monopolize the market. Competeing with someone else is hard to do as it is and I dont want to be a torn in anothers side so I will continue to charge more then other BE's so it splits the market into two: 1) highest quality pets but very expensive, 2) very decently made and quality pets for a more affortable price. This causes business flow for everyone not just the flammers and morons that scream at someone for attempting to help others.
For my VIP customers I have a new pet line that breaches beyond the elite boss mob cap (1000) for regeneration which translates to 800 regeneration, these pets arent available for the open market purely for this reason alone. So for everyone screaming and complaining I thank you for proving the reason why people give up BE so much due to negative diversity, we are here to help eachother out and my original post stating I went BE due to the fact there wasnt any MBE's on my server that know what they were doing wasnt an opinion it was a fact and thats not a negative or derogitory hit against all BE's its a fact.. the CU did this to us all, now that things are progressing and through my fortunet events I have held many training classes and spoken to many BE's the quality of pets are going up.. the BE community (at least on Kettemoor) is getting better and ANYONE whom wants help is more then welcome to email me and I will help them the best that I can providing you arent one of these screaming morons that dont bother to try and help but instead ridicule everyone instead.
I am aware these morons that I am speaking about will no doubt flame this post as well, thats inevidable however if there is one person, just one that I can help from all of this........ I WIN! its that simple, I made a difference to that one person, and no amount of ridicule or screaming will take that away from either of us. I wish those of us that seek to help others and strengthen our community the best and I hope to hear from you soon.
OK ... oh I really like being called a moron - that's a bit of a change....
I applaud your effort to bring better pets to the CH's of your galaxy. I admire your ability to organize what sounded like about 20 other BE's on your server (although seems to be less than we thought) towards a common goal.
I think most of the people objected to this:
I only because a BE because on my server and almost every other server I have noticed, not a single MBE knew reallywhat the hellthey were doing.
This is a remark that is clearly designed to put people's backs up ... you are not speaking of only Kettemore but it seems that you are saying that none of us BE's galaxy-wide know what we are doing. I would be offended on this count only on behalf ot Kettemore's fine BE's even if you had not included all the other BE's in SWG.
I started BiO Engineering about a month and a half ago, .... Within the coarse of a few weeks I became to be known as the Best MBE on Kettemoor
Oops - I spelled your servers name incorrectly. Sorry ... anyway. This reads as ... "I am so much cleverer than all of you that I was able to figure out your profession and do better than you in only a few weeks" and also implies that we ARE a bunch of morons who don't know what we are doing ...
Now, I don't doubt that you are making decent pets. To be honest it is rather hard not to in the new system of pet-making in BE. The 'trick' seems to be to get samples high in all the various stats and chuck them into the appropriate slots. So - high health samples would go in the physique slot and then you'd want to put high intelligence/cleverness into the mental slot and so on. This would let you optimize the various values. What I think of as the 'middle stats' don't affect level much so I tend to experiment them to the max and just worry about the hardiness and power. I try to balance one with the other - often with the help of the DNA calculator that Nam wrote - a tool based on my own regression analysis of the templates supplied by lots and lots of BE's on different servers. The calculator isn't perfect. It doesn't allow for outlying points. The point is - this work was done by many BE's coming together as a team to share information with eachother. I don't know if you are aware of it or if you use the tool, but it wasn't just 'me' who made it - it was all of us.
So ... now ... people are working on pushing the limit. To see what can be made in the new system.
We don't talk much about the 'plain-vanilla' clones because said and done - we are past that. The reason you and other CH's might have difficultly finding so called 'good' pets on your server and others, is that, as you have found, you just cannot keep up with the demand. This community is more than aware of the fact that CH's need good pets ... that is why we focus on helping as many other BE's as possible to learn what they are doing pet-wise. I HOPE that we are doing a good job of this...
There are 2 ways of being a good BE who is not overwhelmed with demand for pets.
- keep a bit of a low profile and charge reasonable rates ... OR
- charge such high rates that most cannot affort to pay them
I think most of us choose the first. I am personally offended by people who charge what I think is way too much for pets because I don't think they are worth it. I am also highly aware that CH's don't necessarily have a lot of money and they don't deserve to be 'ripped off'. Charging lots and lots of money puts 'good' pets out of the league of ordinary players. I prefer to (or used to prefer to) charge a reasonable amount of money, keep low for the most part, provide quality product at reasonable prices. But that is just me.
Yes, I do find your prices to be a problem ... for ME. But that is just a difference in play style and I'm sure you'd agree that neither way is right or wrong.
My problem was with the tone of your first sentences which I have quoted in red.
And ... if it makes you feel any better at all ... I was once a cocky new BE who had just figured out how to put special attacks into level 10's on a consistant basis and to make nice 4K health level 10's. I thought I was special. I looked around on my server and I didn't see any other BE's who had 'designer special' on their level 10's. I thought I was more clever than the rest of the BE's on my server because I could do this. I posted this on this forum as possibly my first post.
QUITE deservedly, I was instantly shot down by Jekk who said - yeah everyone knows how to do that. My response? Pout and ask him to be polite when he bursts my bubble. So ... with regard to that ... I am sorry (a little bit) about stomping all over you.
Just .... have a little respect for the other BE's is all I'm asking ... It is entirely possible that you are not seeing pets as good as your for the simple fact that they do not stay on those BE's vendors and/or they are made to custom order only.
Dor
PS. Please note that I do not stoop to call anyone names in this post and hope that in your next post you will do the same.
Message Edited by Dorelli on 07-12-2005 07:33 AM
Er .. I forgot to add that ... the approach of putting the highest stats you can find in the various boxes is simply a beginning. You do also have to know where to get the best DNA. And there are certain techniques you can use to enrich certain stats if that is what you are after using mulit-generational techniques mix and matched with 'fresh' DNA.
We welcome sharing of techniques on this forum and I am sure we are all willing to forgive your 'in-your-face' beginnings if you should wish to become a contributing member of this community.
I am not saying this because I want to 'steal your techniques' because I prefer to work things out myself and also I don't have a BE anymore anyway. Was just an observation.
And I will freely admit I didn't play my BE enough post-publish 17 to find the best DNA and work up the best techniques myself, although I know that others have. My armor started to degrade and I wanted an armorsmith and BE was becoming non-rewarding so i specc'd out of it.
Now, pardon me but I have to go over to the armorsmith forums and tell them how much better I can make armor than they can 
dor
Ok, so this is your way of introducing yourself. So I say welcome to the BE forums. Personally I like humility, I think it shows maturity. I think weall love Dorelli's humility. Only a fool would think they have nothing more to learn.
I started BiO Engineering about a month and a half ago, I only because a BE because on my server and almost every other server I have noticed, not a single MBE knew really what the hell they were doing.
So you open with that, and not expect to get flamed? People simply don’t like to be told they don't know what they're doing. Would you like it?
I went BE due to the fact there wasnt any MBE's on my server that know what they were doing wasnt an opinion it was a fact and thats not a negative or derogitory hit against all BE's its a fact..
In simple terms: just because somebody doesn't have a vendor does not mean they don't know what they are doing. I learned this the hard way. Early on in my pet making, one of my pets was soundly trounced in a CH pet duel I thought I would win. When I asked who made the pet that just ripped mine apart they gave me a name I had never heard of because that BE didn't have a vendor.
I agree that 95% of pets on vendors are not worth the DNA that was put into them. I would also say there are many BE’s out there that can hit the stats you do, but do not have a vendor. This could mean you are the best BE with a vendor. It does not mean all other BE’s don’t know what they are doing. So you may ask your self why they aren't making money hand over fist selling pets? Maybe they don't want to spend time being a production pet making BE. I myself made ~35mil selling pets for 65-85k each without a vendor. Does that mean I don't know what I'm doing? I wouldn't have the sales numbers I did if I didn't sell top quality pets.
You say you want to help people with the BE prof. This is good. BE is confusing to many people just starting out. Not posting your information on here will simply limit the number of people you reach.
The regulars here don't flame because you post information, they flame because you say they don't know what they are doing and call them idiots and morons. To the best of my knowledge Einstein didn't call lesser mathematicians idiots or morons. You may wish to consider why.
No no - we must pay a million creditsand more for his pets because they are so much better than anything we will ever make! And do you know WHY ??? Yes! NiTech has found the Secret Research Data !!!!!!!! mwahahahaha 