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Thread: FS-Crafting-Mastery ==> 4 branches will cost us 88 MIl (X-34's) OR 22 MIl (Gas extr.)
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Eaca
Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:19 am
#1
If you're grinding vehicles for XP you're stupid, personalharvesters give much better ROI (err, return on investment, guess I should spell that out for you)
Rhadida
Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:23 am
#2
How much Xp do they give, in practice mode? I just grinded vehicles for fast Xp (and 1890xp is fast). I am also trying to figure out what the best items are to craft for fast and good ROI crafting. Thanks for the advice Eaca, if you can please enlighten me 
Cyluru
Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:31 am
#3
ur right...each has its disadvantages...i think medic takes the longest...but u make money doing it...even so, what else would ur pure doc characters do when buffing people, now just go sit in the village and buff everyone there, ull be buffing people regardless...combat makes money, but ur taking a while too (of course theres the grenades part, but i havent tried that and dont think i will)...crafting (while taking a load of creds) is one of the fastest. set up a good macro and u can bust out 7-8 combines a minute. ull need to make approx 5185 x-34's (without failing) for 1 branch. i havent done crafting in a while...but when i ddi, i was able to get about 8 combines a minute with 1 fail per 8...so assuming 7 combines a minte...1 branch will take u 12 hours 21 minutes. a full tree will take 49 hours 23 minutes. the upsides r speed and location...u can craft at or near the village for quick conversions. downside is the cost...including all the fails ur looking at close to 6000 attempts -> 102 million resources OUCH!!!
if cost wasnt an issue, crafting would eb the best conversion. u would get close to 100k fs exp an hour...maxing in combat will net 60k combat exp...and i can do that in 2 hours...
going with bore factor...i would go with combat...
if cost wasnt an issue, crafting would eb the best conversion. u would get close to 100k fs exp an hour...maxing in combat will net 60k combat exp...and i can do that in 2 hours...
going with bore factor...i would go with combat...
DarkRenown
Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:55 am
#5
There my calculations if you were grinding it as a Master Droid Engineer
To grind DE to get all the XP necessary to get master Crafting
1.8 Million DE Crafting XP needed (it caps at 250K so you need to exchange regularly during the grind)
Best thing to grind is Advanced Droid Frame Units which give 462 XP each in practice mode, and use 150 Steel and 70 Fibreplast
So to grind all the XP necessary needs
3783 ADFU
570000 Steel
265000 Fibreplast
Assuming you make 1 ADFU a minute clicking, using a recursive macro
3783 minutes= 63.05 hours, or 2.63 days of solid clicking
Assume resources cost 2cpu
Steel costs 1135004 credits
Fibreplast 529687 credits
So for crafters, it costs us nearly 2 mill in resources, and takes 63 hours.
1.8 Million DE Crafting XP needed (it caps at 250K so you need to exchange regularly during the grind)
Best thing to grind is Advanced Droid Frame Units which give 462 XP each in practice mode, and use 150 Steel and 70 Fibreplast
So to grind all the XP necessary needs
3783 ADFU
570000 Steel
265000 Fibreplast
Assuming you make 1 ADFU a minute clicking, using a recursive macro
3783 minutes= 63.05 hours, or 2.63 days of solid clicking
Assume resources cost 2cpu
Steel costs 1135004 credits
Fibreplast 529687 credits
So for crafters, it costs us nearly 2 mill in resources, and takes 63 hours.
For Artisans, the exchange rate is worse (8:1) best ROI to grind is (as I remember) wind harvesters in practice mode, they give the highest rate of XP per resource (this is from memory though, I could be wrong)
Rhadida
Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:08 am
#6
Just did a calculation for crafting Deeds (personal extracters):
You need 110 Metal, 60 Steel, 50 untis Low grade ore, 15 non-ferrous-metal and 15 aluminium ==> for 1 deed.
This deed gives you 446 XP with practice mode. (this is 55.75 FSxp).
When we combine the Non-ferrous and Aluminium we get 30 Aluminium per deed.
Combining steel and metal we get 170 steel. (both for easier calculations)
We need a total of 5.050.000 FSxp for Crafting-Mastery:
5.050.000/55.75 = 90.583 deeds
90.583 deeds ==> 15.399.110 Steel and 4.529.150 Low Grade Ore and 2.717.490 Aluminium.
Saying you buy it at 1/CPU, you will need 22.645.750 credits for grinding all 4 branches. (33.968.625 with 1.5/CPU)
So much cheaper in cash flow, but you will need to craft 90.853 deeds and with X-34's you will only need to craft 21.376. I will take you 4 times as long as with grinding X-34's, but I will be 4 times as cheap. So you can decide what you want to craft. 
Thanks to both you guys I was able to make these calculations. Thanks for your feedback.
MerchantCatt
Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:11 am
#7
Personally I'd rather grind combat exp/weapon exp. It's faster and cheaper. Heck I make cash grinding those two taking missions. I know it really depends on your template but for me it's ideal. I have a Master Doctor too and I haven't even got enough exp to get the NOVICE senses box.
I would think they'd give better rates for professions that take money/time to do grind up them. I understand it needs to be a challenge, but you shouldn't go poor doing it.
Rhadida
Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:26 am
#8
Well getting poor is an understatement, considering the costs
But than again as a pure combat character you can even grind 8 branches, while with the other proffs you can only do 4. I think SOE wants us all to go for Combat, all Jedi will be the same. (easier programming I think) 
MerchantCatt
Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:08 am
#9
Rhadida wrote:
Well getting poor is an understatement, considering the costs
But than again as a pure combat character you can even grind 8 branches, while with the other proffs you can only do 4. I think SOE wants us all to go for Combat, all Jedi will be the same. (easier programming I think)
Well I got one free branch with the system went in. In the time it will take to grind one branch of combat, I will able to get novice in a noncombat one. Novice only costs 50k, next box is 175k. I will be able to do the 5 branches I need before I can do the first or second senses box. It's not worth it time wise to me.
Sadly, some might not have the choice to grind combat as some of us do.
Rhadida
Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:53 pm
#10
I am a bit fed up with the crafting part. I am a master Artisan, ok well I want to craft better, so I do the FS-Crafting-Mastery-Part. Nice to look at but, when I (or should I say we) trade in our max. 50k general crafting Xp. We (and I) get 6250 FSxp. Ok I know that when crafting X-34's we get 1890xp (practice), so 26.5 X-34's for 50k xp. BUT SOE forgets that we use resource for the crafting, when we see the resource needed for 1 FSxp we get the following:
X-34 ==> 1890 General Crafting XP ==> 1890/8=236.25 FSxp ==> 1125 Non-Ferrous Metal and 3125 Ferrous Metal.
==> so 4250 resource for 236.25 FSxp ==> 4250/236.25 = 17.99 resource / FSxp
When we are lucky we can buy for 1-1.5/CPU, so when we look at novice we will need 17.99*50000=899.500 (for 1/CPU) and
17.99*50000*1.5=1.349.250 credits.
When we want the first box ==> 17.99*175.000=3.148.250 credits (1/CPU) and 17.99*175k*1.5=4.722.375 credits (1.5/CPU)
This is redicules!!!!
For one branch we will need ==> 17.99*1.225.000 = 22.037.750 credits (1/CPU) And 33.056.625 credits (1.5/CPU).
So for 4 branches it will cost us ==> 4*22.037.750 = 88.151.000 credits (1/CPU) and 132.226.650 credits (1.5/CPU)
When we compare this with the combat branch:
I did mokks/janta missions yesterday (8 missions in 1 hour) I had 0 UnarmedXP and 0 CombatXP:
I got 198.154 UnarmedXP and 20.134 CombatXP ==> in FSxp this is 6.605+6711=13316 FSxp and I got 8*31k=248k credits for it.
So while we pay 18-27 credits/FSxp, doing combat earns 18-20 credits/FSxp.
What this says is when you want to craft you will have to do combat as well, but when you are a crafting only character you will have bad luck and will never get any FS-crafting ability. The DEV's should really take a look at this. Or they should increase the harvesting resource with 300% spots or so, or they should improve the conversion-rate of the crafting XP. THIS JUST REALLY SUCKS!!!
And yet another calculation when you grind 4 branches of reflexes, you will get the following cash:
we take 19 credits/FSxp and we get the following ==> 19*5.050.000 = 95.950.000 credits. So you earn almost 100 million credits during the FS-Combat-Grind. When we want to buy our resource with this and we are lucky and can get them for 1/CPU we can get our 4 branches of craftingXp YAY. So guys all we have to do is 3.100 mokks/janta missions and we hjave enough cash to do the FS-Crafting-Grind!!!!!
Well good luck to all doing the 3.100 missions and I hope the DEV's really fix the conversion rates.
BTW does anyone knows what the best item to craft is. I presumed that X-34's are the highest in Xp, but there must be other items with less or cheaper resource. Please post it here. Thanks.
Message Edited by Rhadida on 09-17-2004 11:09 AM
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