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Thread: My Hard Work Beaten By Those Who Took Advantage Of A 1 Day Mistake......
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Sytem
Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:15 pm
#1
Because of a mistake orwhatever they called itback in publish 7,which was reversed the following day, there are still some to this dayselling crafting stations 45.0 rated. This so called "mistake" was allowing artisans to craft components including micro sensor suites to 100%. We all know that in reality100% micro sensor suitesare a virtual impossibility because theyrequire high con/oq stats, and steel has never had a combination of 900+oqwith 900+con. Therefore 45.0 rated stationsare just a dream.
The select few still making these stations have an unfair advantage to those who have worked hard, like myself, to make stations 44+ rated. I would like to see those 100% micro sensor suite schematics removed, or, reintroduce the crafting change which allowed them to be created.
Some might say this belongs in the architect forum. I decided to post it here because its the components that I have a problem with, and those are made by artisans.
Fodder650
Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:41 pm
#2
By that logic the BER 20-25 Fusions would need to be removed as well. A lot of weird things came out of that day when it went live. But on Bloodfin i still havent seen one 15.
4Bidden
Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:54 pm
#3
I do agree with Sytem. 45 rated stations are a vitual impossibility. I can make them 44+ rated to, but thats with using godly uber resources. But, that portion of that patch was by design. The devs planned it, but aftermany people complained it was removed the next day... So in other words it was a mistake. Those 100% micro sensor suite schems should be removed.
DarthVillanus
Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:46 am
#4
The difference between a +44 crafting tool and a +45 is not noticable. They make absolutely no difference. Anyone who pays considerably more for a +45 tool than a +44 is just stupid.
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4Bidden
Sun Nov 14, 2004 12:59 am
#5
DarthVillanus wrote:
The difference between a +44 crafting tool and a +45 is not noticable. They make absolutely no difference. Anyone who pays considerably more for a +45 tool than a +44 is just stupid.
I agree with you to a certain extent... But, I pride myself on making my 44+ rated stations. To have someone come along and make a 45 rated one cause of a mistake the devs made is somewhat disheartening. I have busted my behind collecting just the right resources over a few months period to make these awesome 44+ stations. Here is the thing.. If thatperson making those 45 rated stations tried to assemble a new schematic using the same resources, he might not even hit 44+. Remember, to me its more of a pride thing..
Message Edited by 4Bidden on 11-14-2004 12:00 AM
Colaboy
Sun Nov 14, 2004 1:11 pm
#6
4Bidden wrote:
DarthVillanus wrote:
The difference between a +44 crafting tool and a +45 is not noticable. They make absolutely no difference. Anyone who pays considerably more for a +45 tool than a +44 is just stupid.
I agree with you to a certain extent... But, I pride myself on making my 44+ rated stations. To have someone come along and make a 45 rated one cause of a mistake the devs made is somewhat disheartening. I have busted my behind collecting just the right resources over a few months period to make these awesome 44+ stations. Here is the thing.. If thatperson making those 45 rated stations tried to assemble a new schematic using the same resources, he might not even hit 44+. Remember, to me its more of a pride thing..
Message Edited by 4Bidden on 11-14-2004 12:00 AM
Ditto on that one 4bidden. The best I can do is 43.94. I knowsomeone on bria selling 45 rated stations for 500k. It's just crazy. I know for a fact he is using the exact same resources that Im using to craft the components cause I have asked him.. He didnt have a problem telling me cause he knows those comps cant be made to 100% anymore.
EdOWar
Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:00 pm
#7
So what if someone else is making a 45 rated station. I'm not going to pay a lot of money for one; in fact I'm quite happy using my 43 rated Weapon/Droid station and 42 rated Shipwright station--and I saved a lot of money, too!
Oh, and Crafting Day wasn't an accident. The Devs did it deliberately. There was a lot of debate at that time about a new crafting system that the Devs were going to implement. Ultimately the Devs caved in, but they said they'd let the new changes go live for one day, so everyone would get a taste of them. Not really sure why they did this, because there were a lot ofcrafters who took advantage of it to makeitems that weren't possible to make before Crafting Day, or after. Imo, if the Devs weren't going to implement the new crafting system, they shouldn't have even let it go live for a single minute, let alone a full 24-hours. But I've got no sour grapes towards those who took advantage of it.
Slim Vargo, Corbantis
Duragoth
Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:40 pm
#8
Perhaps I'm some sort of retard? but 44/45 crafting stations? what do you guys suggest I use when crafting something like that, and what kind of a difference does it make anyways?
GraySeven
Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:23 am
#9
The combination of Crafting Tool rating, Crafting Station rating, Pyolian (sp?) cake, City Research bonus and Character skills (did I miss something?) determine the quality of your success.
By that I mean the result that falls between Critical Failure and Amazing Success. The higher the Result, the more bang you get for your initial assembly and experimentation points.
The extra 2 points these 45 stations bring don't really seem to be all that important for Master Crafters, though I can say you will see a marked difference at lesser skill levels if you use a low rating station.
Case in point: I bought a 16 rating Starship Crafting Station to start since it was all I could find (except for the 41.94 station someone was selling for 500k, give me a break). The majority of my results fell in the Success or lower range initially. When I found a reasonably priced 42 rating station, my successes jumped to average Good or better.
The price people want for the 45 rating stations simply isn't worth it to me.
JeCy
Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:59 am
#10
Well as an armorer i used to hand craft all my suits of armor. i had a 37 station at my place in the valley, which is just in the middle of know where. I had a 43. something at my shop in the city, which is a player city with crafting bonus. I hand crafted at both places and to be honest with you i never noticed a difference. If there was one any small amount would be negated by a run of a couple bad experiments. At times i would get anyoyed with fails and bad experiments and drive to the city where my bad luck had followed. Generally by that time i would give up crafting that day.
That said, when i make RIS i eat food and make sure im at my good station,, for that 1/1000th of a chance that it does make a difference,, but anything else it dont matter.. id just asume use a droid in the middle of no where than a 45 station in a crafting city.. Ive been a crafter since day one. Its plain stupid to spend the money on what people want for um. They make zero difference. Turst me. Ive hand crafted 1000's of suits of armor, droids, food.. and what not.
Heck id like to try a -15 tool and -15 station against the good stuff but ive never tried. maybe that would make a difference but a few 1/100ths or even a few whole points aint gonna make a damn bit of difference cept maybe in your bank account cuase of unimformed people being taken advantage of.
Je'Cy Dax
Cafa
Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:03 pm
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DarthVillanus wrote:
The difference between a +44 crafting tool and a +45 is not noticable. They make absolutely no difference. Anyone who pays considerably more for a +45 tool than a +44 is just stupid.
I've played this game for over a year. Because of RL concernsI couldn't play more than an hour on Phat Tuesday and I missed out. The results were that one person on the server held the entire market for crafting stations until he quit the game, a month ago. He made 44.58's.
Now, I can make 44.289's legally. If Phat Tuesday rules came back it would hit 45. The rest of my Artisan goods would benefit too and there would be a distinction for finding and getting the best resources that actually counted, IMO.
Even the majority of the posts wanted the changes to stay, they were just scared off by a Chicken Little rampage from two of our communities. I'll never understand why the devs took this away, as it only points to making things not value our dedication.
Fivo Asia
ravingbantha
Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:52 pm
#12
Sytem wrote:
Because of a mistake orwhatever they called itback in publish 7,which was reversed the following day, there are still some to this dayselling crafting stations 45.0 rated. This so called "mistake" was allowing artisans to craft components including micro sensor suites to 100%. We all know that in reality100% micro sensor suitesare a virtual impossibility because theyrequire high con/oq stats, and steel has never had a combination of 900+oqwith 900+con. Therefore 45.0 rated stationsare just a dream.
The select few still making these stations have an unfair advantage to those who have worked hard, like myself, to make stations 44+ rated. I would like to see those 100% micro sensor suite schematics removed, or, reintroduce the crafting change which allowed them to be created.
Some might say this belongs in the architect forum. I decided to post it here because its the components that I have a problem with, and those are made by artisans.
This wasn't a mistake, the dev's intended to make that the perminent way all things would be crafted, However everyone whinned and cried about it, becuase they didn't realize how good it would be. With such an outcry facing them the dev's gave in and gave us back after it being live the dev's went back to the old (and current way) of crafting. A few people did actually see the advantage of this and did what they could to make the best possible stuff they could.
This is what happens when enough people fuss about something, it get's changed....
DirthNader
Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:09 am
#13
Cafa wrote:
Even the majority of the posts wanted the changes to stay, they were just scared off by a Chicken Little rampage from two of our communities. I'll never understand why the devs took this away, as it only points to making things not value our dedication.
This just shows that you didn't understand the changes. The correspondents confirmed that the ability to experiment beyond the resource caps (which was what gave any profession the ability to make any item with a 100% line) was a bug.
Once that bug was fixed, crafted items that require more than oneline of experimentation (armor, food, etc)would have taken a huge hit in quality.
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