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I don't post often, but this has been buggin me for a while. I apologize if this has been posted before.
I am a Surveyor on Lowca. Surveying and selling resources is my specialty;I don't craft.

Anyway, it's a bit annoying that just anyone can put down a harvestor. Shouldn't this be limited to players with at least a minimum of novice artisian? What the hell does aCommando know about mining Ore?I can't do anyone else's job: I can't cook food, hunt bounties, build homes, or heal people, but Everyone can do my job.

Hell, I don't know why I even bother having artisian. Without it, all I'd have to do is walk around until I see a bunch of other harvesters then set one right beside it and wait for the money to roll in, and put my newfound skill points to some other use.

Yeah, harvesting is a good way for new players to make money, so why not provide an ingame method of allowing them to rent out their lots to surveyors and get a percentage back, like in real life?

What do you guys think?

aah.. I see this is one of the top 5 issues for artisian (good news), so treat this thread as a strong message of support.

Just to note I really enjoy being asurveyor, there is no grinding involved, and I get to travel a lot so I'm not stuck in front of a crafting station all day, and I meet a lot of great people while selling my resources.

I don't know if a while miner profession is necessary; just this one change would solve a lot, as far as I can see.

Well you have to be able to survey to find out _where_ to put a harvester

I have four other people, none of them artisans, who allow me to use their lots for harvesters. They make themselves available to me after I have finished surveying, they put down the harvesters, and then put me on the admin list. I put in maintenance and power, and go out and empty the hopper regularly. Don't take away their ability to help me, because this is my only income source. In the past two months, I have lost three vendors, and all of their items, with no compensation and no explanation. I am just barely getting back to normal. Don't take away the ability of others to help me.

I like it, but what about Bio engineers and Medics who need harvested goods?

No you don't, Ashrid. All you have to do is look for other people's harvesters and put one beside it. Then there are always the websites, word of mouth, etc.

Also, the harvester itself can be used as a makeshift survey tool (albeit not a very good one). If you need something specific, say steel, just look for a bunch of mineral harvesters, put your extractor down, and check the available resources for steel. If there in high concentration, you're all set. If not, head to the next group of mineral harvesters. Yeah, its not as powerful as a surveying tool, but its not a bad trade-off considering now you get almost 30 free skill points as well.

LadyGrey, I understand and agree. That is why I suggested an in-game method of allowing players to share/rent player lots. For instance, a player would consent to rent a player lot, would put in the number of lots to share, andthe agreed price or percent of the output (can be zero).

Rincey, I'm not totally againstmedicsbeing able to put one up. That, or perhapsitcould be a percentage thing based on profession. For instance, Artisian could use all lots for harvesters,medic and scoutcan use 4 or 5, while combat professions have none or as many as 2. The exact numbers aren't important, and they're not my decision anyway, but you get the idea. The remaining lots could still be rented to artisians (see preceding paragraph).

It's a pretty expensive way to survey, at 1500cr/placement.

I'm a Master Doc with Novice Artisan, you should hear the medics and especially the Doctors gripe about not having any effective survey method within their tree.

jeez, while we are at it, lets limit the factories to artesians as well, and the houses to politicians... oh wait, THAT WOULD BE RETARDED!

EpiFett: Naturally, if formal lot renting were implement it would be done so in a way that would prevent fraud. For instance, the lot owner should have no control over the structure placed on the lot, the money/resources could be transfered automatically and included with the maintenance fee and resources placed in a special hopper, etc, etc..Allof this isjust a matter of implementation.

Rankfort: No, you are incorrect, it doesn't cost anything. Use the deed, check the concentration, and destroy.I just tested it with a personal mineral extractor to doublecheck.

And the idea that doctors shouldhave any surveying skills is just silly. Doctors are not surveyors or miners. Their job is to heal.It's common sense for thetask of finding andproviding the resources they needfor healing should fall on other shoulders.

This sort of production chain is what the devs have wanted all along anyway. They just seem to have overlooked this detail.

Blorticus... nevermind. Just think before you post next time, eh? k thx

get a new job

lol, exactly.. I could give up artisian altogether and still make as just as much money selling resources as I do now, and put those skill points towards something else.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous.

I'm a doctor and I need specific resources to make my medicines. With what you propose I'd basically have to buy every resource because I would not be able to get my own. Prices for top quality resources on my server is already incrediably high, with many of the 900+ oq medical resources costing 10 cpu even before they have shifted out.

With what you want I would be paying double that or triple that before it even shifts out because I small few would have a monopoly on the harvesting trade.

Now you're going to suggest that everyone who wants to harvest, such as myself, should have novice artisan just to place harvesters. I already have to have novice scout to get herb and avian meat which are essential, and with another 15 skill points invested in artisan I would be severly limited in my ability to be self sufficient and to enjoy the combat side of the game.

Basically from what I gather from your post you're selfish, that people can make money from harvesting resources just like you can. Well I'm sorry but when prices are already quite high, with a little bit of intelligence you can make an absolute killing by hoarding a great resource there is no need to change it just so a few artisan's can rake in a few more dollars.

Artisan related professions aren't the only crafters. Think about it.

Frankly, it's my opinion that the person who puts pts into surveying soley for selling resources isn't much better than the person who puts down a harvester next to everyone elses. You're not an artisan..you're a surveryor, for which there is no profession, only a branch in artisan.

And if you think destroying a deed doesn't cost anything..well..duh..the person who is not an artisan most likely had to BUY that deed...