Artisan Archive

FOOD Crafting BUG

I am busy making a bunch of different foods from leftover bits and pieces I have taking up space and per usual I experiment on every piece. What I have noticed is:
1. A % increase from a successful experimentation I will sometimes get a stat drop.
2. Not all great success is the same! Not all success is the same.
3. You can significantly increase a % and get no corresponding stat increase for the item

This information was transcribed as I performed the experiment so there would be no doubt as to what the #'s were when I posted this.

For example:

Travel Biscuits ( 3 cereal + 8 hide )
3 cereal = Gilcha (Corellian Wild Corn) OQ 166/ PE 508
8 Hide = Akle (Corellian Wooly Hide) OQ 79

Great Success!
Experimental Flavor and texture - 15%
Experimental Nutritional Value - 11%
Experimental Quantity - 1%

Stats Provided
Uses - 3
attribute modifier - 1
constitution: +33, 92s

Experimenting!
1 point - quantity Critical failure *cry*
2nd point - value : gr. success 18% - constitution +41, 92s (gr. suc gives 7% increase)
3rd point - value : gr. success 25% - con + 46, 92s ( gr. suc gives 7% increase)
4th point - value : gr. success 29% - con + 48,92s (gr. suc only gives 4% ?! what the heck?)
5th point - value : gr. success 32% - con + 48, 92s (gr. suc only gives 3% ?! what the heck?)
6th point - value : gr. success 35% - con + 48, 92s
7th point - value : gr. success 38% - con + 48, 92s
8th point - value : gr. success 41% - con + 48, 92s -Well that’s a big crock of horse dung 12% increase with no stat change! Thanks Sony!
9th point - Flavor : gr. suc 22% - con + 48, 103s
10th point - Flavor : gr. suc 24% - con + 48m 103s gr. suc only gives 2% ?! what the heck?)

Oki that sucked lets try something else!

Spiced Tea (5 water + 2 organics + 4 mineral)

5 water: Oidha (nabooian water vapor) OQ 611
2 organics: Edav (corellian berry fruit) OQ 173 / PE 189 /flavor 307
4 mineral: Hoowoba (platinite copper) OQ 328

Great Success!
Experimental Flavor and texture - 12%
Experimental Nutritional Value - 8%
Experimental Quantity - 9%

Stats Provided
Uses - ??? (this is not listed? Another bug its seems)
attribute modifier: 2
Action: +19, 147s
Focus: +35, 147s

Experiment!
1st point - quantity - gr. suc 16%
2nd point - quantity - critical failure 9%
3rd point - quantity - gr. suc 16%
4th point - quantity - gr. suc 23%
5th point - value - moderate suc. 12% : Action +24, 138s / Focus +40, 138s ( ok increase value decrease time - hmmm)
6th point - value - gr. suc 19% : Action +27, 138s / Focus +44, 138s
7th point - value - gr. suc 26% : action +31, 138s/ Focus +49, 138s
8th point - flavor - gr. suc 17% : action +31, 155s/ focus 49, 155s (this gr. suc only gave 5% instead of the 7% it is supposed too)
9th point - flavor -

well I lost connection right at the end ... oki 1 more for the sake of accuracy in science (or something like that

Oki lets try a different combinations
Spiced Tea (5 water + 2 organics + 4 mineral)

5 water: Oidha (nabooian water vapor) OQ 611
2 organics: Edaesap (corellian vegetable tuber) OQ 469 / PE 986 / flavor 666
4 mineral: Hoowoba (platinite copper) OQ 328

Great Success!
Experimental Flavor and texture - 17%
Experimental Nutritional Value - 16%
Experimental Quantity - 10%

Stats Provided
Uses - ??? (this is not listed? Another bug its seems)
attribute modifier: 2
Action: +26, 157s
Focus: +42, 157s

Experiment!
1st point – flavor – gr. Suc 24% : Action: +26, 167s / Focus: +42, 167s
2nd point – flavor – moderate failure 22% : Action: +26, 177s / Focus: +42, 157s (Wow! Time went up)
3rd point – flavor – gr. Suc 29% : Action: +26, 182s / Focus: +42, 169s
4th point – flavor – gr. Suc 36% : Action: +26, 190s / Focus: +42, 180s
5th point – value – gr. Suc 23% : Action: +29, 190s / Focus: +47, 180s
6th point – value – gr. Suc 30% : Action: +33, 190s / Focus: +51, 180s
7th point – value – gr. Suc 37% : Action: +37, 190s / Focus: +56, 180s
8th point – value – moderate suc 39% : Action: +42, 190s / Focus: +61, 180s
9th point – quantity – gr. Suc 14% : Action: +42, 190s / Focus: +61, 180s
10th point – quantity – amazing suc 22% : Action: +42, 190s / Focus: +61, 180s

final outcome: for uses 4

Oki lets try a different combinations
Spiced Tea (5 water + 2 organics + 4 mineral)

5 water: Oidha (nabooian water vapor) OQ 611
2 organics: Latecop (corellian wild wheat) OQ412 / PE 191 / flavor 836
4 mineral: Hoowoba (platinite copper) OQ 328

Great Success!
Experimental Flavor and texture – 12%
Experimental Nutritional Value - 9%
Experimental Quantity - 10%

Stats Provided
Uses - ??? (this is not listed? Another bug its seems)
attribute modifier: 2
Action: +19, 148s
Focus: +35, 148s

Experiment!
1st point – flavor – gr. Suc 20% : Action: +19, 159s / Focus: +35, 159s
2nd point – flavor – gr. Suc 27% : Action: +19, 170s / Focus: +35, 170s
3rd point – flavor – gr. Suc 34% : Action: +19, 179s / Focus: +35, 179s
4th point – flavor – gr. Suc 41% : Action: +19, 189s / Focus: +35, 189s
5th point – value – gr. Suc 16% : Action: +24, 189s / Focus: +41, 189s
6th point – value – moderate suc 16% : Action: +20, 189s / Focus: +41, 189s (no % increase with a success and Action stat decrease)
7th point – value – gr. Suc 23% : Action: +26, 189s / Focus: +46, 189s
8th point – value – gr. Suc 31% : Action: +34, 189s / Focus: +51, 189s
9th point – quantity – gr. Suc 17% : Action: +34, 189s / Focus: +51, 189s
10th point – value – gr. Suc 37% : Action: +36, 189s / Focus: +56, 189s

final outcome: for uses 4

Oki, that’s enough typing for now. I just wanted to have some actual Numbers to go with my post to validate my statement that food crafting is bugged.

Garydd Balor - Master Artisan, Corellia, Scylla
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For those of you who have never progressed beyond high school math there is such a thing as a function that is not first order (not a strait line). There is no reason to expect that a "Great Success" always translates into the same percent increase. In fact, it appears that the current quality is a factor in how much of an increase you get. Additionally, the "Great Success" message almost surely matches a range of values for the the percent increase that is in turn independant of the current quality factor.

Yeah I could probably sit down with a huge amount of resources and experiment until I had the exact function but I do enough of that in real life and don't need to spend my relaxation determining a function that can be changed in the next patch. Its not like the laws of nature in SWG are fixed.

Just because you' re not getting the results you expect doesn't mean that it is a bug. Hell by that definition, Quantum Mechanics is an indicator that reality is seriously bugged.

Null Tensor

1+1 = purple fish

Quantum Mechanics at work

The only real bug I can see is the one time you got a moderate success and received no increase but the action stat actually went down. I can see the % not increasing, because maybe a moderate increase at that point only raised it something like .2% which was rounded back down to 0. The bug would be the action points bonus dropping on a success.

Look at it this way. Say the most you can raise a value by is 30% (assuming you used 10 points and all results were great successes, just throwing out numbers here...) By your reasoning, you would expect that each 1 point experimentation with a great success result would bump it up 3% until the 10th one got you to your 30% max. But it seems to work more along the lines of this.

1st point +9%

2nd point +6%

3rd point +3%

4th point +3%

5th point +2%

6th point +2%

7th point +2%

8th point +1%

9th point +1%

10th point +1%

So both ways you get to your 30% max, but with the second way, there is a larger increase with the 1st few points, but then you get to a point of diminishing returns. This is the was it seems to work, but like Null, I don't have the time to try and figure out what the exact formula is. I do agree with you though that the stat bonus shouldn't drop on any type of success, even if it results in a 0% gain.

And Null, QM is correct. Reality is completly bugged. I want my refund.

So you are saying that 1+1 doesn't equal 2? and that an increase in overall % shouldnt give a positive result but can give a negative result?

what math is that?