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Thread: So what's the Real Deal, Guru.

BiancaMinola
Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:23 pm
#1

OK, I know the correspondents are supposed to be an infinitely understanding and patient sort but what's your take on the seriousness that TH is giving the Artisans in the Correspondent's forum?


When I was there the only folks that would get any dev time, were the combat classes, and the Correspondents who hada revolution going on in their communities. Are we still being ignored? Do we need to raise the volume to get their attention?


The question that doesn't get answered every other week is 'neato' (lmao) but if that's all the dev time we are getting, I'd like to know. I have taken my 6 months to cool off, and am ready for a revolution.


Bianca Minola
BiancaMinola
Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:55 am
#2

Also - is RThornton still our Dev, or are you still in the dark on that one?


Bianca MInola
Guruweaver
Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:48 am
#3

My unvarnished opinion (not that'd I wouldn't give y'all the straight scoop):

Our needs/opinions are being heard, however, due to the Jump to Lightspeed, Jedi revamp, Combat rebalance, any changes made for us or our crafting elite bretheren aren't going to happen until after the combat rebalance. It just isn't any higher in the priorities. From their perspective (I'm guessing here, no-one said this to me in so many words), since we aren't actually broken, just needing enhancement, we are not as 'hot' as some other profs.

Will making more noise help? Probably not. If enough _Quality_ noise is made, maybe. Sqeaky wheel and all that, but I cannot really endorse that.

As for who the crafting (Artisan) dev is, I have no idea. As far as I can tell, the majority of the devs are either doing Jedi or JTL work. I've got a question outstanding on that very issue. I'll let y'all know when I get an answer.

On the one hand, I am getting feedback that says that our issues are being heard and discussed. Ont he other hand, I have yet to hear if any of our suggestions/problems have been accepted for fixing and, if so, when we could expect to see them in Live.

Take care,



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SaleusCorwen
Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:43 am
#4

I think that is why would should push for any issues that may be connected with the near future publishes.. those are the issues i think that we have the best opportunity to get looked at.. yes the other issues are important but if there is anything we'd like to see looked at that are connected with an upcoming publish then that is where we probably should focus.



for example.. a mini publish is set for July 20th (an ETA) that involves



  • Crafting/ Entertainer Quests

  • we should get all our issues pushed out about this publish as we have the best chance of getting those issues resolved.


    Publish 10 will have


  • Improved Commodities Market

  • do we have any issues to deal with that?



    The end of august is


  • Top CS/QA Correspondents' issues


  • This is why the Top 5 is what they are looking at. This is where we'll get out those issues looked at. if there are any major issues we need to make sure they are in our top 5.



    and then in september is the


    First Phase of Galactic Civil War revamp (ground based)



    this is my personal issue in that i would really like to see non combatants play a much larger role in the GCW..




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    BiancaMinola
    Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:00 pm
    #5








    Guruweaver wrote:
    My unvarnished opinion (not that'd I wouldn't give y'all the straight scoop):

    Our needs/opinions are being heard, however, due to the Jump to Lightspeed, Jedi revamp, Combat rebalance, any changes made for us or our crafting elite bretheren aren't going to happen until after the combat rebalance. It just isn't any higher in the priorities. From their perspective (I'm guessing here, no-one said this to me in so many words), since we aren't actually broken, just needing enhancement, we are not as 'hot' as some other profs.


    Do you have any proof that our needs/opinions are being heard? If you don't even know who our Dev. is, how can you be sure that our issues are even getting by TH to him/her? TH told me that our issues were being heard/addressed too, so why is it that none of our issues have, considering it has been nearly 7 months since I sat in your seat with those same assurances.



    Will making more noise help? Probably not. If enough _Quality_ noise is made, maybe. Sqeaky wheel and all that, but I cannot really endorse that.

    I'm not asking for an endorsement.


    As for who the crafting (Artisan) dev is, I have no idea. As far as I can tell, the majority of the devs are either doing Jedi or JTL work. I've got a question outstanding on that very issue. I'll let y'all know when I get an answer.

    If it's still RThornton, I'm sure it's JTL - he worked on a space combat game before coming to SWG. Lets see how long it takes for this answer, lol.


    On the one hand, I am getting feedback that says that our issues are being heard and discussed. Ont he other hand, I have yet to hear if any of our suggestions/problems have been accepted for fixing and, if so, when we could expect to see them in Live.

    I think TH is our problem. He obviously (in my experience) has zero interest in either Crafting, or the Economy - unless it is gating combat in some way. I'd suggest you send RThornton some PMs, and see if you can get a dialogue going with him.


    Take care,







    I think you're a good correspondent Guru, It's just that I've been there - and when I was there they weren't saying after JTL - they said after Vehicles went live. I personally am holding TH to that promise. The discussion must start MONTHS before anything of substance actually happens. If they started the dialogue with us today, JTL will be released and the major kinks out of it before any changes were actually implemented.


    Patience is a virtue, but it is a virtue that can be taken advantage of, by someone who is trying to avoid you.


    Jas quit because she was ignored, so did I, and Vaedross. I don't put any odds on you getting anything done - unless our tactics change - and we hold the Devs to what they have said in the past to us.


    Bianca Minola
    Srednii
    Fri Jun 25, 2004 5:28 pm
    #6

    I think you'll probably find it a little hard to hold TH to his promises. He is after all a two faced corporate shill with the personal integrity of a sponge, and who's main job is to placate angry gamers using any means possible (short of actually fixing problems).


    How many promises has he broken so far? Someone should track down all the times he's promised to "get back to you on that issue" and never did. Or all the times he promised something would get looked at... 6 months ago. Or the times he promised "that's being worked on right now" with nothing on live months later.


    It would be amusing to see a list of all the broken promises , tho no doubt the post wouldn't last long.



    But bianca.. you're advocating more aggressive corresponding yes? That sounds to me like what Wepps was doing. And I'll point to the BH forums where they're still gimped compared to FOTM combo's, they still spend way more skill points then they should for what they get, bounty missions are still borked, jedi missions are borked again, llc still can't hit the broad side of a barn, ect ,ect. And Wepps has ended up banned from the forums.


    Aggressive or passive, the correspondent system is set up so the devs can pretend to listen to us all while ignoring just 32 people instead of thousands at once. Not to actually achieve anything.



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    BiancaMinola
    Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:46 pm
    #7






    Srednii wrote:


    But bianca.. you're advocating more aggressive corresponding yes? That sounds to me like what Wepps was doing. And I'll point to the BH forums where they're still gimped compared to FOTM combo's, they still spend way more skill points then they should for what they get, bounty missions are still borked, jedi missions are borked again, llc still can't hit the broad side of a barn, ect ,ect. And Wepps has ended up banned from the forums.


    As someone who had access to the Correspondent forum during the 'Wepps administration' I am not suprised that he was banned. I am a firm believer that a debate can be very aggressive, without resorting to namecalling, cursing, and misrepresentation of the truth. Enough said.


    Aggressive or passive, the correspondent system is set up so the devs can pretend to listen to us all while ignoring just 32 people instead of thousands at once. Not to actually achieve anything.

    My biggest gripe as Correspondent wasn't that everyone was ignored, but that everything non-combat, non-jedi was ignored (except for Player cities related items and vehicles during their implementation).


    I have also witnessed moments of brilliance from the Devs, where one of them would poke their head into the discussion, say wow I didn't know that was going on, and it would be fixed the next publish. I think the amount of dev time we get has more to do with TH's interest in Artisans, than it does with the amount of dev time it would take to get something done.







    Bianca Minola
    ShAdOw_00
    Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:48 pm
    #8

    hmmm



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    Pheloneus
    Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:41 pm
    #9

    probably wont see anything til after Combat Rebalance and JTL



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