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Thread: Artisan Toys Does anyone else Care?!?!
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BaronZemm
Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:13 am
#1
We NEEEEEEEEEEEEEED cooler artisan toys..
Checkers, chess, tetris, anything..
Something to do during our 9 min shuttle wait.
The chess game from the movie..
Can anyone help me out and create some noise for this cause.
Pootian
Mon Feb 02, 2004 9:35 pm
#2
I agree, I would love to see artisans able to craft the neat gambling machines at master! MMM...Jubilee wheel...
progman63
Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:06 pm
#3
OH YEAH!
More in-game games of chance would be a cool addition to player cantinas, hotels, etc.
I don't know about single player games like Tetris.
If you just want to play Tetris, why come here to do it? 
We've (friends) talked about this several time before, and it could be quite easy just to design a game system, the hard(er) part would be handling joining the game, directing play to individual players (as in dealing out cards), anteing, betting and payouts.
Any board type game would definately require a dedicated console interface, but would simple(er) games of chance?
We already have programmable dice as craftable items, and many games have been devised by simply using sets of dice to represent card values.
Players have to go to the added trouble of recording or keeping track of the outcome of each roll, but it's usable after a limited fashion.
The really difficult games of chance are ones that several players are betting on specific color/number combinations like roulette, which you COULD simulate with dice if you really tried.
The bank has to track everyone's bets and selections, and any odds affecting payout.
Could a simple in-game game system be developed without resorting to a dedicated console interface???
Here's a simple example ofcard deck configuration items:
example ofcard deck configuration items:1) Give us several different shapes for the cards
2) Give us several different shapes and symbols, solid and outline for suites
3) Give us one or more alphanumeric fonts for card values
a) could include serveral different species and national languages
b) could allow more than just one character on card
b) could also inlcude the shapes and symbols above
4) Give us several different colors (or allow us to enter color codes) for
a) the card background
b) the shape/symbol suites c) the font card values
d) if the color of a configuration item is white/blank, it is not used or communicated
i) Using adesign dialog, we choose the card shape, several shapes and symbols for suites, several alphanumeric characters for card values, and set the colors for background, suites, and card value text.
ii) The number of suites and card values chosen would calculate how many cards are in the deck.
iii)There would need to be some way for the card deck configuration to be saved out, with a unique serial number, and loaded into other card decks, so players could design configurations and share/exchange them.
Now, the hard(er) part is actually making the card decks usable/playable in an in-gameenvironment. For the most part, people would just have to 'play along' with the card game and do what they are supposed to do when they are supposed to do it, but that's what we're doing with dice right now.
Here is the simplest method this particular system could be implemented:
1) Each game player would need to have a programmable card deck configured in EXACTLY the same way - hence saving, exchanging, and loading card deck configurations.
1) The existing 'group' command could be used to designate who was 'in' the game. Anyone who leaves the group has left the game.
2) Player communication and game msgs would be sent over a group chat channel. The group chat channel is needed so that several groups of people could playgames in the same room. When playing games using dice, all dice system msgs from anyone else using dice within range are all mixed together in the spatial chat channel.
3) Each player, in turn, would 'deal' a card from their deck and the card information would be sent over the group chat channel as a game msg. If the people playing are not in a group the card information could be sent over the spatial chat channel - card/poker tournaments would be a good example where spectators would want to see the cards being delt.
4) If someone folds, they do not deal themselves any more cards for that hand.
5) One person couldbe the bank and recorder. Everyone tips the bank their antes and bets and then the bank tips the payoutto the winner.
Very simple to implement - just an expanded version of the dice currently in the game, but one or two changes (the group chat channel) might need to be made so that it's more usable.
Did I forget anything?
Here's an example of a nonsensical hand to give an example of how the system would work over a group chat channel (or spatial if not in a group) using all the possible configuration items (color suite solid/outline, color card value, background color) of a deck:
(Bob and Bill both ante the bank 500cr)
Bob deals a[Blue quad in][Yellow 5]on Red (BYR, 5, quad - square, in - solid)
(Bob bets the bank 10cr)
Bill deals a[Red fizz out][Red @]on Red (RRR, 10, fizz - fictional alien symbol, out - outline)
(Bill bets the bank 50cr)
Bob deals a[Red delta out] [Cyan *]on Green (RCG, 50, delta - triangle, outline)
(Bob bets the bank 30cr)
Bill deals a [Green fizz out] [Magenta 00] on Blue (GMB,naught, fizz, outline)
(Bill bets the bank 50cr)
Bob deals a [Blue radial in] [Blue #] on Green (BBG, 100, radial - circle, solid)
(Bob bets the bank 20cr)
Bill deals a [Yellow octon in] [Red 9] on Magenta (YRM, 9, octon - octogon, solid)
(Bill bets the bank 50cr)
Bob deals a [Yellow hex out] [Green =] on Blue (YGB, double, hex - hexagon, outline)
(Bob bets the bank 100cr)
Bill deals a [Blue fizz out] [Cyan 3] on Blue (BCB, 3, fizz, outline)
*Bill throws his cards on the table*
"Fizz Fizz Fizz out!!!" yells Bill.
(Bank pays Bill 1200cr and keeps 110)
I need to clean up this proposal.
I know I mixed a fewthings up because we were actually discussingideas for a dedicated console interface card system.
O-Jen
Tue Feb 03, 2004 1:10 am
#4
I agree.
/raise hand
I saw a Bantha Doll toy for sale over the weekend and thought that was way cool.
More knick-knack stuff to decorate our houses with, devs. Please?
O-Jen
Revmatt
Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:17 am
#5
Try using the dice to gamble with people while you wait. SWG crap gamesinthe alley!
BaronZemm
Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:01 pm
#6
ALSO,, hehe..
Did anyone play asherons call????
Once upon a time we recieved a gift because of a nasty rollback..
This gift was a little toy, basically a smaller version of a critter in the game.. You could put it on the ground and it would just sit there and animate.. I think if you put yours down beside someone elses they would fight..
Just a little indestructable toy.. extremely awesome.. cool to look at..
BaronZemm
Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:04 pm
#7
The main goal "game" wise.. is to have games which are classically fun available and craftable in game..
Card games, classic board games (checkers chess, othello)
tetris, breakout, pong.. etc..
things that are timeless and thus classically fun.
The current gambling machines I do not consider classically fun.. but that just might be my opinion
Azodnem
Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:07 pm
#8
I think the Domestic tree could use a few more "domestic" items for flavor; maybe a painting, or a small piece of art, or even some simple furniture.
BaronZemm
Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:30 pm
#9
Ya, ill drink to that.. Though i find furniture useless.. Sure it looks nice, but I cant fit anything into my house.. . I have a giant house.. If i moderately furnish 2 rooms.. the house is full and i cant store anything in there..
So i dont have furniture any more.
Br-10n
Tue Feb 03, 2004 7:48 pm
#10
You should be able to craft a Sabacc table. West End Games had rules for Sabacc in it's old RPG. That's how Han won the Millenium Falcon from Lando after all.
If you're really evil, you could craft a rigged Sabacc table that smugglers would have a chance to detect in use.
Zanholo
Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:49 am
#11
The Jubilee Wheels in player city hotels are already multi-player. Now we just need to get them craftable and placeable by players in player structures.
Just having those, the slot machines and the 'chess' game actually implemented and also makeable/placeable by players would alot of fun. They also be quite a good income generater, at least in high traffic shops.
BaronZemm
Wed Feb 04, 2004 1:58 am
#12
Already tried dice.. its way too boring..
Also, the big long post about the complications of multiplayer board games within a MULTIPLAYER GAME.. are invalid..
They already have functionality setup to do interactive things with players, having made crappy multiplayer board games myself I can tell you its very easy to code.
On the point of single player games.. Its purely for atmosphere.. Holocubes would be nice.. Toys that are actually fun for us players... instead of toys which are fun in theory.. .when you imagine yourself in a world that you can use them... System shock2 had that little gameboy.. which is I thought was awesome..
The gambling machines are no fun.. they just churn out random numbers like the dice...
All card / dice / roulette games are EASILY simulated on a computer, they are the simplest type of game to program.. All the math is already done for you and the rules are predefined..
We need simple games, simple toys that could sell for a couple hundred to a couple thousand credits.. Yes tables to place in cantinas, and yes portable toys to place with friends while camping or healing.. or just sitting in your house.. Simple board games, checkers chess, things that can be easily rendered in a 2d pane on the screen..
Drop the item like a muscial instrument, consent someone else.. and now you can both join the game. ..
Have a group and 2-4-6 to whatever people can play..
It would be awesomely awesome.. an extreme improvment in atmosphere, and an elegant way to build up a feeling of community in game...
Make new friends, establish a gambling market if you like... all sorts of possibilities... ...
The ability to play checkers with someone while waiting for the shuttle is the first step though.. or tic tac toe even... It would be ideal.
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