Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Idea to revive Epic Armor
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TireseusSWG
Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:36 am
#1
The biggest problem I see with RIS and Mando armor is that they are not worth the time. Sure they look cool, but I have never been a person that goes around looking for things to decorate my house. Since we have little information about the Armor revamp and its changes, I would like to share my ideas on how we can inspire people to seek these special armor's.
Even if the armor is the best in the game (after revamp) it still, to me, is not worth the hassle of getting it. My reason for stating this is because of the max condition of the armor. Even if you got it, heavy players would ruin it in a matter or days or weeks. So resolution to this would be to remove decay completely from these armors and/or make some sort of quest to get it repaired. Something like a Mando prison or something where an npc will repair your armor to full condition. And for RIS maybe something along those same lines.
I also thing that due to the difficulty ofaquiring these speical items, they will still be in rare form even with decay bypassed or removed.
I think this will drive people to collect resources for our Armorsmiths to craft, thus generating more economy for the Armorsmith.
If this is repetitious, I apologize, please be gentle because I am allergic to flames.
T
ZionHalcyon
Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:54 am
#2
I don't know about removing condition completely (I like the idea, but find the expectation unrealistic), but I like the rest, and actually suggested something very similar earlier in the week...
TireseusSWG
Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:59 pm
#3
Ya its fun for the armorsmiths to do, but the armor is still to precious to destroy. All that hard work and you going to go pvp with it? No y our going to set it up in ur house so you can look at it and say...looky looky
justapilgrim
Sat Jun 19, 2004 12:48 am
#4
TireseusSWG wrote:
The biggest problem I see with RIS and Mando armor is that they are not worth the time. Sure they look cool, but I have never been a person that goes around looking for things to decorate my house. Since we have little information about the Armor revamp and its changes, I would like to share my ideas on how we can inspire people to seek these special armor's.
Even if the armor is the best in the game (after revamp) it still, to me, is not worth the hassle of getting it. My reason for stating this is because of the max condition of the armor. Even if you got it, heavy players would ruin it in a matter or days or weeks. So resolution to this would be to remove decay completely from these armors and/or make some sort of quest to get it repaired. Something like a Mando prison or something where an npc will repair your armor to full condition. And for RIS maybe something along those same lines.
I also thing that due to the difficulty ofaquiring these speical items, they will still be in rare form even with decay bypassed or removed.
I think this will drive people to collect resources for our Armorsmiths to craft, thus generating more economy for the Armorsmith.
If this is repetitious, I apologize, please be gentle because I am allergic to flames.
T
I found them to be very worth my time. I just made my second peice of RIS and couldnt be happier. Why? sense of accomplishment. Ya someone can have 12 experimentation points or be the richest AS, but not all of them can say they crafted any RIS. Most that set to do the quest don't ever complete it, and if they do, they can't get another scale for their own peice.
I know of only 3 smiths that have made any RIS peice on my server......and one of them has only made the helmet, so I am one of two smiths to make a chest or pants. Gets my name out there and makes me feel good.
I am sure any DE's or smiths that craft and mando armor will also have some of the same pride, even if the resists are crap. It isn't jsut about the uber resists, most of the fun is in the quest.
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Manbush
Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:11 am
#5
I agree with SkinnyManDo. For me it's also about having an "endgame" for my chosen profession. I have had many friends from all professions tell me they wish they had a similar long-term quest to undertake after they reached master. For those that don't like the quest the answer is simple, don't do it. No other profession I know of has anything like it, I'm glad it's just the way it is.
btw Skinny, I don't think I was the smith you referred to, but I have also made a helmet and completed a pair of pants 2 days ago. I don't care that they won't be worn in combat, I chose to do the quest and hunt the mobs myself simply because it was a challenge. And "because it was there".
Bongo - Valcyn
TireseusSWG
Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:25 am
#6
I agree with the quest portion of it. Do it because its there. But this idea was to revive it for everyone not just the people who like to do quests. Bring some purpose to these armor's and we can see alot more people attempting them. Another thing that might squelch the debate is that if you aqure the armor and put it on, you then are the only person that can wear it.
Masal
Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:48 am
#7
I have seen one full set of RIS on a person. Valcyn server Night-Hawk was wearing it. he is a master armor smith. It was primarty blue with red high lights. Looked awesome.
Cyrus Armor Smith 4-1-0-4
GodlyX
Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:22 am
#8
justapilgrim wrote:
I found them to be very worth my time. I just made my second peice of RIS and couldnt be happier. Why? sense of accomplishment. Ya someone can have 12 experimentation points or be the richest AS, but not all of them can say they crafted any RIS. Most that set to do the quest don't ever complete it, and if they do, they can't get another scale for their own peice.
What if you're 12 point, richest, and you've crafted nearly a full suit of RIS with 80-90% base resists? >_>
TireseusSWG
Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:02 am
#9
im not suggesting making the quest easier, but make people want to find the materials. Want to get the armor.
Manbush
Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:04 am
#10
Competition for the necessary loot drops is already high, drastically raising the demand for RIS wihtout altering the various drop rates could cause problems. Interest in RIS will rise significantly after the combat balance anyway, at which timesome of the mobs you need to kill will be un-soloable. I think this has potential, a lot of people will want RIS due to it's nerf-exemption and rarity (more people show interest by the day as it is) but aquiring the loot drops will take a serious effort, not just solo camping.
speardancer
Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:25 am
#11
Another idea, would be to allow a new form of 'repair'... sort of an alternate schematic, which would use the old piece of armor, and some of the resoures (non-looted) that are required to make a new piece of armor... say 25-33% of the requirement of makeing a new piece.
The stats on the 'repaired' piece would be based off the stats of the old piece, and the quality of the new resources use to repair it. So, if the original piece was made with no-so great materials, due to the resoures avalaible at the time, and is repaired with top of the line resoures, the stats would come up a little, but would not be as good as a piece made from scratch with the newer resources.
This would only be avaliable for the quest armors (RIS, Malorian) due to the rarity of the looted components. someone may like their composite that was made with nice looted layers and such to be able to be repaired this way, but I think that would have a negative effect on the economy.
The stats on the 'repaired' piece would be based off the stats of the old piece, and the quality of the new resources use to repair it. So, if the original piece was made with no-so great materials, due to the resoures avalaible at the time, and is repaired with top of the line resoures, the stats would come up a little, but would not be as good as a piece made from scratch with the newer resources.
This would only be avaliable for the quest armors (RIS, Malorian) due to the rarity of the looted components. someone may like their composite that was made with nice looted layers and such to be able to be repaired this way, but I think that would have a negative effect on the economy.
Numen
Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:58 pm
#12
The problem is the extreme cost of something that will degrade over time.
Extremely rare loot just doesn't lend itself to armor very well.
Take the RIS armor for instance. You can spend months getting all the pieces. Yea its a nice accomplishment, but in the end you have a set of armor that really is only for looks. Even if the resists are extremely high, it will wear out. Probably in a shorter time than it took you to complete the set.
For the moment I'll assume RIS will be made better than composite in the combat balance. I'll say 25% better than composite. Current prices on most servers put a set of RIS right around 75-100 million credits. 150-200 times the cost for a 25% bonus? It is just not economically worth it.
Yes its a great thing to accomplish. Same thing with mandalorian, but IMO they are more decorative than a set of armor. Your not proud because you have a set of RIS armor as any armorsmith or weaponsmith that has been around for 8+ months can probably go and buy one right now. Your proud because you put all the effort into getting the pieces and it paid off. You have something that is fairly rare and you accomplished it by yourself.
TireseusSWG
Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:54 am
#13
exaclty my point, just in better words. Its not worth getting, only because it decay's. It will still be very rare, but would at least be usefull beyond the scope of the other armors.
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