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Thread: Wookiee armor: Why make it simple when we can make it complicated? (DEV READ PLEASE)
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Jekkra
Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:10 pm
#2
I think this is all in mind with the combat / armor revamp in mind. Unfortunatly wookiees get hit with it first. Im thinking if the requirements stay this way, when the CB/GCW revamp comes next year 
armor accross the board will be more difficult to make, as far as gathering resourses is concerned. As it is now, composite is way to easy to manufacture imo.
armor accross the board will be more difficult to make, as far as gathering resourses is concerned. As it is now, composite is way to easy to manufacture imo.
Blutzoll
Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:06 pm
#3
bunch of whiners. i feel like in the jedi forum 
show that you can handle this minor problem and shut up
HyKsOs24
Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:25 pm
#4
Blutzoll wrote:
bunch of whiners. i feel like in the jedi forum
show that you can handle this minor problem and shut up
very constructive post, thanks.
Are you armorsmith or a wookiee? no? then why even lose your time reading it and post if it don't concern you at allhum?
I have been making armor for all race but wookie for the last 4-5 month, like I said in my first post, I don't take any advantage from the sugestion I made, if they don't change anything, I will simply continue to make armor for all race but wookiees ... nothing gona change for me, understand that?
Now, wookiee deserve better then that, and that's why I try to make dev think twice before making this armor this way. I play this game and I do what I like to do, if many AS like me (and I know there's lot of AS thinking like me) that really don'tenjoyhaving to get that many organics ressource from creature to make that armor, we will simply don't make it.
And that will change absolutly NOTHING from our present situation, but wookiee will not have the armor they deserve, they will never have high quality armor comparable to composite.
Message Edited by HyKsOs24 on 07-21-2004 02:26 PM
theonebountyhunter
Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:56 pm
#5
just have to give props to this post, very well thought out
very much the way I feel especially since i'm one of those 10pt smiths that just makes armor for my guild and sell some on a vendor to support my habbit. especially seeing as it is i'm in WOOK, 75% wookiee guild yipee.
very much the way I feel especially since i'm one of those 10pt smiths that just makes armor for my guild and sell some on a vendor to support my habbit. especially seeing as it is i'm in WOOK, 75% wookiee guild yipee.
Aroogala
Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:11 pm
#6
Blutzoll wrote:
bunch of whiners. i feel like in the jedi forum
show that you can handle this minor problem and shut up
u are a moron
This is OUR game, naturally the Devs should care about what WE want, and making these insane resource requirements will only further frustrate a already hassled player base that has endured many broken promises (those of us from launch know it best) and making the new wookie armor an extremely difficult thing to make is yet another load of crap we have to deal with.
These difficult resource requirements will not extensively harm the already well established 12 point armorsmiths, but for armorsmiths like me, only 10 point and no vast amounts of money and/or resources, we are getting screwed (yet again).
Regardless, I'm still going to be working toward making this new armor to the best of my ability, but still i would rather not have to spend so much time and effort doing so.
nikazza
Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:31 pm
#7
i think the key to this armor is the wookiees themselves, i am a wookiee and i am already gathering resources, i will gather the resources and then give them to my armorsmith buddies and they give me armor for free and sell the rest i give them to other players.
all the resources are easily attained by a wookiee (except the horn which will be nerfed). the dant bone is a joke because voriters drop 150 of it per kill, the dath leather is easy, there is enough off one rancor for a full suit. the lokian leather is kimogila extermination time. and the tat wooley hide is going to suck because banthas are a little to small for me... i know this armor will never be mass produced but it will be attainable by wookiees as time passes (in theory)
the wood with low SR is going to hurt the quality of the armor which will piss us wookiees off, only having 70% resists while others still have 90%. but 70 is better than 20% and 20% is better than none. we have the right to complain, but this is better than things usually go for us so i will take this light heartedly
good post. i have 2k+ of everything except for the tat wooley hide. and ill give it to my smith when it goes live, he will have all the inorganics and i will also supply the wood.
Srednii
Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:33 pm
#8
I love that. 1481 units of organics, most of which are "named" planet specific.
Just think, it's not unheard of to have to pay 150cpu to get people to hunt for organics, so at cost a suit of this armor will cost 222150 credits for just the organics.
I say no thanks. The wookiee market is minor at best, and I'm not going to bother trying to supply it.
Keuller
Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:43 pm
#9
Nikazza, most composite is still around 70%. Hell, we can't even break 80 with loot components, so suggesting everyone else is using 90% composite is a little unrealistic.
TheDarkTrumpet
Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:46 pm
#10
I plan to do my best to supply as much as possible, but I tend to agree that this will be a pain in the butt to do. I currently have two character, a wookie ranger, and a human armorsmith. I don't pay for hide, when I can gather it myself. No, i can't gather it extremely fast, but I do pretty well for a wookie 
As far as these reqs, they are pretty insane, I agree. I'm going to have to spend full days on each planet just to get whatever exists right now - which most likely will overall be crap, but regardless it has to be better than the current armor.
*shrug* maybe the devs can just make the reqs all dathomir stuff, dath bone, dath hide, and change the other planet specific stuff to generic. That would be nice at least.
As far as the wookie market not the best, I make a decent living off my wookie armor sales. Heck, I know it won't be insane like composite, but I can deal with it, and don't mind it all that bad. Currently, ubese and wookie armor is all I supply, and do pretty darn well off it.
As far as these reqs, they are pretty insane, I agree. I'm going to have to spend full days on each planet just to get whatever exists right now - which most likely will overall be crap, but regardless it has to be better than the current armor.
*shrug* maybe the devs can just make the reqs all dathomir stuff, dath bone, dath hide, and change the other planet specific stuff to generic. That would be nice at least.
As far as the wookie market not the best, I make a decent living off my wookie armor sales. Heck, I know it won't be insane like composite, but I can deal with it, and don't mind it all that bad. Currently, ubese and wookie armor is all I supply, and do pretty darn well off it.
HyKsOs24
Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:29 am
#11
Ok, no flame please, here I will try to explain to the DEV something they missed totally.
First of all, horns is no longer required, thanksgod to at least do this.
What is the rarest and most expensive resource to armorsmith? The wooly hide, we get one good spawn of wooly hide every 3-4 month, the only way to get a good amount of it is to pay INSANE amount of cash to get it, so ok, we pay 100-150CPU to get 200k hide to last at least until the next good spawn, if we don’t pay that much we can’t get enough quantity, as only a few ranger will hunt, so to get the other greedy people to hunt the hide, they need to get pay very well for there effort (yes, no one like to kill millions of bantha to get little bit of hide), up to now I was able to deal with that, it’s still 30 millions credits, but us, the good 12 experimentation pts armorsmith have enough cash to handle it, true.
But the others little 10 pts AS that sell his full suit of composite 80-100k don’t have enough cash to do that, so ya he can get a good 10-20k of the good hide, he can last a good 2-3 week …. Then he’s out and need to use the less good hide, then make less money then us we do, meaning the next time a good spawn get in he still don’t have enough cash to buy huge stack of it. So to resume, the sky high price on the wooly hide help the already rich AS to keep making the best composite on the market, meaning make even more cash.
Now, that was for composite and ubese, the 2 only armor that worth making, they need very little amount of hide, 210 units for the composite for a full suit. What resource we need for the new wookiee armor that come from the creature?
Armor padding (yes even the padding need good stat hide to get experimented, it increase the base resist)
15 units of hide
10 units of wooly hide
15 units of hide
10 units of wooly hide
Advanced Kashyyykaian Hunting Armor Segment
25 units of Dath Leathery Hide
16 units of Dant Avian Bones
25 units of Dath Leathery Hide
16 units of Dant Avian Bones
Kashyyykian Hunting Chest Plate
100 units of Lokian Leathery Hide
80 units of Tat Wooly Hide
40 units of Dant Horn (it’s gona be changed by something “more reasonable” I guess with some bone)
6 identical armor padding
4 identical Kashyyykian Hunting Armor Segments
100 units of Lokian Leathery Hide
80 units of Tat Wooly Hide
40 units of Dant Horn (it’s gona be changed by something “more reasonable” I guess with some bone)
6 identical armor padding
4 identical Kashyyykian Hunting Armor Segments
Kashyyykian Hunting Leggings
70 Lokian Leathery Hide
60 Tatooinian Wooly Hide
4 Armor Padding
3 Kashyyykian Hunting Armor Segments
70 Lokian Leathery Hide
60 Tatooinian Wooly Hide
4 Armor Padding
3 Kashyyykian Hunting Armor Segments
Kashyyykian Hunting BRACER'S (twice)
50 Lokian Leathery Hide
40 Tatooinian Wooly Hide
4 Armor Padding
2 Kashyyykian Hunting Armor Segments
50 Lokian Leathery Hide
40 Tatooinian Wooly Hide
4 Armor Padding
2 Kashyyykian Hunting Armor Segments
Lets start counting:
270 Lokian Leathery hide
220 Tat wooly hide
275 Dath Leathery hide
176 Dantooine Avian bone
270 of any kind of hide
180 wooly hide
40 horns that will be replaced by something else
Total: 1481 units of organics from creature for only ONE full suit.
270 Lokian Leathery hide
220 Tat wooly hide
275 Dath Leathery hide
176 Dantooine Avian bone
270 of any kind of hide
180 wooly hide
40 horns that will be replaced by something else
Total: 1481 units of organics from creature for only ONE full suit.
And that’s for the 3 layered wookie armor, the composite version for the wookiee, the armor that all wookiee will want.
The only easy to get resource in that is the Dath Leathery hide, everyone hunt rancor for the XP, and they give leathery hide.
The black mountain armor even need Corelian wooly hide, it drop from Durni and paralope at about 5 units per kill. I already tried to get some of it, even if I was paying very well (it was a good spawn) no one wanted to hunt for that, it give no XP and don’t have lot of skin to give...
Now I ask you, will you use your best wooly hide to make an armor that only one species can wear when you can make lot more cash making composite with the hide instead that ALL other species can wear? The answer is no I will not use any units of my 150CPU wooly hide on that.
How many resources from specific planet on those new armors?
8 for the hunting (the 3 layered armor comparable to composite)
5 for the black mountain (the one comparable to ubese/padded)
8 for the hunting (the 3 layered armor comparable to composite)
5 for the black mountain (the one comparable to ubese/padded)
How many for the composite?
ONE
ONE
How many for the RIS?
THREE
THREE
All the soft wood needed for the armor have the SR capped at 500-700, it will NEVER go higher then that, and because of all the specific planet resource it will take SO long to get decent spawn from all those planet that we will run out of the first good spawn before we can get all the best in stock to make one armor with all good spawn, combined with the low quality hide we will use in that, the armor stat will never match the composite.
Ok, I understand that dev might want to prevent AS to make even more cash out of this, well they win if they make it this way, no AS will mass produce it. That’s not the best solution as this armor was made to HELP the wookiee, now they will get very few low-quality armor available instead.
Here is the solution for all the problem, you want to make AS less rich? Then you need to help the little AS that doesn’t have much cash to compete with the huge AS, how can you help them? Instead of one good spawn of wooly hide every 3-4 month, make it happen more often, a very easy way, cap the OQ and SR of this hide to never go under 600 or 700 OQ and SR, you don’t want because armor will be too good? The very rich armorsmith use all the time hides with over 900 to OQ and SR (like I said they have enough cash to buy 200k or more of 150CPU wooly hide)!! So that will not make our armor better as we already use the best it can go, but it will make good spawn lot more often, so the small AS will be able to compete more, more high quality armor on market = price going down = less cash for the already very rich AS.
You want to make wookiee as close as possible to the other race with a good composite? To not unbalance the game, you can simply add more enc to the chest to cancel the ham bonus they have, wookiee have 400 more ham I think? Make the chest have 125 more enc then acomparable composite to the health action and mind, but keep all other part the same, but allow us to make wookiee armor as good then the composite please.
So replace some of the wood with metal, fiberplast and such, keep the dathomire leathery hide, remove the corelian wooly hide, decrease the amount of hide needed, then you will get something lot more acceptable.
Btw, I’m not a wookiee, personally if they don’t change anything it will change nothing for my daily business, I will simply not make those armor, and I will continue making lot of cash with my composite.
Lets hope some dev can read that and actually understand it.
Message Edited by HyKsOs24 on 07-21-2004 12:33 PM
Sorackles
Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:47 am
#12
No. Don't increase the wooly hide spawns but remove the planet specific crap. We all know what happens when you make armor need planet specific hide. For example Padded armor. No one hardly makes it. I think if it used less hide to make a suit more people would make it. 1400 units of organic resources for wookie armor? Forget it. Change the Corellian Wolly to Endor Wooly and I'm happy. Tonnes of wooly drop on endor. We really can't get mass quantities of wooly hide from correllia.
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