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Thread: Armorsmiths, take a look at this proposal and provide feedback pls.
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tacwraith
Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:09 pm
#1
Some say its buffs that ruined the game by turning everyone into superman, some say its the armor that has made people into supermen & go out and solo nests of rancors on their own.
So how about SOE remove the Constituion/strength/quickness/stamina doctor buffs and remove musician buffs from the game? (musicians should instead,be able to heal BF and mind wounds in a camp without needing cantina AND be able to 'mesmerize' a single creature depending on their skill..that is, musician plays at creature, creature stops attacking and moving and just stands there until the musician stops playing or someone hits the creature...for you know, in a hunting group the girl with the harmonica is a buddy, the nekkid girl dancing by the fire is for something else!)
The result of this would be players with primary ham bars buffed (but the other ones will be 'normal' as set by in their migration stats) who can wear the 80% composite armor.. BUT who in combat do not have the massive regeneration rate and who do no longer have zero (or near zero) ham costs for their weapon specials.
This would mean that a player would be effectively well protected but who will have to manage his HAM when using special attacks. It would also encourage the use of other types of armor... the lighter armor wearers would receive much less protection, but will have higher regeneration rates and lower ham cost for their specials.. a trade off. Those who play without armor have zero protection (barring perhaps a PSG) but will have much faster regeneration rate and can use a lot more specials than those wearing armor.
The loss of special-spamming ability (even for those who do not wear armor) and the loss of the uber regeneration will encourage players to finally use postures, to use more chef foods, encourages the use of a wide variety of weapons (when was the last time someone shot you with an sg82 rifle? or a stryker pistol? or came at you with a vibroblade? or a metal staff?).
But most importantly it re-introduces proffession interaction into the combat aspect of the game. Medics will once again be an important part of any hunting/xp group. Rangers with their camps will woo groups into taking him along, entertainers will accompany the groups to heal the mind wounds received, combat medics be the shiznit to have along, melee proffessions will finally 'tank', ranged proffessions firepower support, hybrids in between.
Best of all is this can be tested NOW in any live server. Grab your guildmates, have them get only health/action doc buffs and only musician buffs. migrate your stats via image designer to compensate. grab a few different armor types and weapons to try out in this setup.
go hunt rancors.
you will see just how amazingly the game changes from grind to fun.
For docs: Your bussiness is still guaranteed. Everyone will need the buffs.
Armorsmiths: more armor types for you to sell.
Weaponsmiths: more weapon types for you to sell.
Entertainers: we love you even more now.
Rangers/Medics/Hybrid classes time forgot: You're back in the game!
Chefs & BE's: Bussiness will increase as more foods/pets will be consumed.
So how about SOE remove the Constituion/strength/quickness/stamina doctor buffs and remove musician buffs from the game? (musicians should instead,be able to heal BF and mind wounds in a camp without needing cantina AND be able to 'mesmerize' a single creature depending on their skill..that is, musician plays at creature, creature stops attacking and moving and just stands there until the musician stops playing or someone hits the creature...for you know, in a hunting group the girl with the harmonica is a buddy, the nekkid girl dancing by the fire is for something else!)
The result of this would be players with primary ham bars buffed (but the other ones will be 'normal' as set by in their migration stats) who can wear the 80% composite armor.. BUT who in combat do not have the massive regeneration rate and who do no longer have zero (or near zero) ham costs for their weapon specials.
This would mean that a player would be effectively well protected but who will have to manage his HAM when using special attacks. It would also encourage the use of other types of armor... the lighter armor wearers would receive much less protection, but will have higher regeneration rates and lower ham cost for their specials.. a trade off. Those who play without armor have zero protection (barring perhaps a PSG) but will have much faster regeneration rate and can use a lot more specials than those wearing armor.
The loss of special-spamming ability (even for those who do not wear armor) and the loss of the uber regeneration will encourage players to finally use postures, to use more chef foods, encourages the use of a wide variety of weapons (when was the last time someone shot you with an sg82 rifle? or a stryker pistol? or came at you with a vibroblade? or a metal staff?).
But most importantly it re-introduces proffession interaction into the combat aspect of the game. Medics will once again be an important part of any hunting/xp group. Rangers with their camps will woo groups into taking him along, entertainers will accompany the groups to heal the mind wounds received, combat medics be the shiznit to have along, melee proffessions will finally 'tank', ranged proffessions firepower support, hybrids in between.
Best of all is this can be tested NOW in any live server. Grab your guildmates, have them get only health/action doc buffs and only musician buffs. migrate your stats via image designer to compensate. grab a few different armor types and weapons to try out in this setup.
go hunt rancors.
you will see just how amazingly the game changes from grind to fun.
For docs: Your bussiness is still guaranteed. Everyone will need the buffs.
Armorsmiths: more armor types for you to sell.
Weaponsmiths: more weapon types for you to sell.
Entertainers: we love you even more now.
Rangers/Medics/Hybrid classes time forgot: You're back in the game!
Chefs & BE's: Bussiness will increase as more foods/pets will be consumed.
Kryxal
Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:32 pm
#2
Yes, but nobody here hears about theCU, so I think people having ideas and posting them is OK.
tacwraith
Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:46 pm
#4
thnx. the whole idea is to do this until the revamp comes into the game. im pretty sure the revamp will be making combat similar to what i suggest will turn the game into. so it'd 'ease' people into the combat upgrade combat system and stop this idiotic supermen with superarmor , no grouping no combat proffession interdependancy (cause crafters sure as heck are interdependant already).
justapilgrim
Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:28 am
#5
you have some nice ideas
the devs have some ideas as well
combat upgrade my friend
Roscannon
Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:26 am
#6
tacwraith wrote:
Some say its buffs that ruined the game by turning everyone into superman, some say its the armor that has made people into supermen & go out and solo nests of rancors on their own.
Unless you have very very good NS armor, chances are you won't be able to wearhigh end armor without buffs and still have a viable HAM pool. If they would have nerfed buffs a long time ago, this game would be drastically different.
Doro1138
Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:31 am
#7
I wouldn't say to do away with the buffs on the secondaries and mind, maybe just cut them in half? This would create more of a need to watch HAM and special attack costs.
But they aren't going to implement any changes like this before the CU. I wouldn't even propose something like this knowing that the CU will change a lot of things and no one has specifically stated what will change.
Nice ideas, just the wrong time to suggest them.
Starpilots
Mon Nov 29, 2004 7:25 pm
#8
our city is doing every week a Krayt or kimo or NS hunt without buffs with chitin or bone armor and brawler or marksmans weapons this makes it very fun again to work like a big group sometimes 2 groups in taking on a Kimo or Krayt.
Its just fun like the old days when the game was just live or in beta realy fun
Its just fun like the old days when the game was just live or in beta realy fun
Govo
Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:06 am
#9
I actually do this all the time, with no buffs. I do it mostly as a way for preparing for the combat rebalance. Its a great way to re-learn the way group or solo hunting used to be (which imo was the height of SWG). As an armorsmith its also a great way to get a jump on better ways to craft the various armor types and test them out. BTW I was a CM un the group hunting heydays. A great asset to groups but also a very challenging proffession to be good at in those situations.
tacwraith
Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:15 pm
#10
Yeah a lot of people i talk to long for the old days of grouping fun not the solo-grinding of utter boredom.
Baccarat
Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:25 pm
#11
I think the idea is feasible, if ham costs for specials were removed. Right now the really brutal thing is dying from using specials.. if the only thing that damaged you was the enemy, then there would be more reason to wear heavier armor (which should still be viable).
JeCy
Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:58 pm
#12
i totally agree with taking out all secondary buffs.. with the exception of mind as mind cant be healed.. well with a combat medic but still it hurts well unless you have a sqaudleader : ) and that could give people the abilitly to chose brandy, or one of the great other drinks that would boost there use of speicals, or health,, aka gramorl or accrgam.
It would also make armorers much more variety in amrors to make,. to you make it light or heavy?
as for not being able to wear comp? thats total BS ive made suits of comp with 70+ layer, and 62+ base with 300 ham yea it was sliced but big deal,, thats one sweet suit /grin
No more spaming mind shot, or head hit.. having to use auto attack to keep from sucking your action to non exsistance. Im guessing this is in the CR,, cant wait only what a year after it was first promised?
Je'Cy
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