Armorsmith Archive
Thread: Kinetic Layer Experimentation Problems...
What I have seen is that, given good to very good materials, if you experiment the Base on the layers, segs and armor to the max, you will always have and encumb near 900/800/900, unless you have some extra experimentation points to play with. 2 extra points will likely get these numbers down 50 points or more.
I have played with Kinetic PvE-type composite and usually prefer lower HAM so try to shoot for the lowest HAM to get my Kinetic to 79-80%. Best I have come up with is about 608/540/640 for a 79% Kinetic, 58% base set. Great for PvE, ok for mission type play, but not high enough protection for PvP. I know people have a fixation for round numbers, so did more playing and got to an even 80% kinetic, 60-61% base with a ham of 650/575/700. If you can afford good armor, you should be able to afford 2 sets, one for PvE and one for PvP. And definitely figure out how to macro it on and off.
Tadpole
Im a 10 point AS on Corbantis and i have been one since release so i have a pretty great supply of resourses. I live in a medical city so i dont get the manufacturing city bonus.
I put 7 points into getting the base to 4%, 2 points into getting the kinetic to 6% and the final point into HAM on the kinetic layers. Triple layering comp with those gets me a 66% base with 80% kinetic.
It all comes down to the quality of your resouces. All mine are over 850OQ and 800 or higher SR also with good UT and MAL
-Kino-
kneelocked wrote:
I put 7 points into getting the base to 4%, 2 points into getting the kinetic to 6% and the final point into HAM on the kinetic layers. Triple layering comp with those gets me a 66% base with 80% kinetic.
-Kino-
Have you ever tried putting no points at all into getting kinetic up (leave it at 3-4%) and spending them on HAM reduction too? You might get to 80% kinetic still.
Emily
Does putting 1 point at a time, experimenting matter? if i do 5 experiments with 1 point will it produce the same as 1 with 5 points?
That's something I've been wondering about as well. One obvious difference is when it comes to failures but other than that I can't tell whether if it yields a better result to experiment with alot of points at once or just the one.
Rosto Calil, Farside
Rosto wrote:
Does putting 1 point at a time, experimenting matter? if i do 5 experiments with 1 point will it produce the same as 1 with 5 points?
That's something I've been wondering about as well. One obvious difference is when it comes to failures but other than that I can't tell whether if it yields a better result to experiment with alot of points at once or just the one.
Rosto Calil, Farside
Well, I'm a noob crafter, so I may be wrong. However, I've noticed that I have more "great/amazing success" when I use one point at a time, even if the risk factor is 0.
I don't think that you will get better stat improvements if you experiment one point at a time, but as I said I think it affects, maybe in a small part, the chance of success rate.
Note: I'm a Master Artisan/4-3-0-4 Armorsmith with some Tailor and Architect, so I don't know if the thing changes at master...
Oh, we all know that the secret to craft better power ups is to experiment one point at a time (only way to have 3-4 stats on a power up), so maybe it could also apply to armorsmithing..
However, I'm still a noob so I'd like to hear the opinion of the veterans 
While crafting you will want at least a great success. This gives you 7% increase. An amazing success is even better since it gives you 8%. The difference between experimenting with one point at a time or a set of say five points, is that in case of an amazing success you will get one time 8% in the first case and five (!) times 8% in the second case. So, the more points you use while experimenting the less chance you will have on an amazing success but if you hit one the reward will be better.
Emily
you seem to want low ham, Your layers are actually not bad, just pull the base up to 4% (which is 75% on the exp colum) after that it caps out, than dump everything else into ham reduction, tri layer your composite segs like normal, no here is where you have to make a descion you can go base or ham i go base, through my whole armor and get decent stats. But i bet if you were to split your exp evenly you could get somewhere near the decent armor you were looking for. Than just mess around with the final product
Guild-less
AegolinAdaron wrote:
kneelocked wrote:
I put 7 points into getting the base to 4%, 2 points into getting the kinetic to 6% and the final point into HAM on the kinetic layers. Triple layering comp with those gets me a 66% base with 80% kinetic.
-Kino-
Have you ever tried putting no points at all into getting kinetic up (leave it at 3-4%) and spending them on HAM reduction too? You might get to 80% kinetic still.
Emily
Your right Emily, its 7-1-2, not 7-2-1. I do it so automaticly now. I wasted so many resources experimenting ubese like I would composite and vice-versa.
Kino
^_^
Neyex wrote:
....., just pull the base up to 4% (which is 75% on the exp colum) after that it caps out, ....
That's the way I did it, but overall I am worried about the HAM... every time I try, even with a lower kinetic or base rating the HAM is always out the @ss...
Does putting 1 point at a time, experimenting matter? if i do 5 experiments with 1 point will it produce the same as 1 with 5 points?