Armorsmith Archive
Thread: It's over!
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Diango
Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:47 pm
#1
Aside from the combat professions, I never thought you guys would get screwed due to the combat downgrade. I'm truly sorry for what they are about to do to you guys, from what they are about to do to all of us. When they did the copy and paste code from EQ2 to SWG they did not forsee this happening. I say screw it, keep revolting and let your voices be heard. We want our game back, not this crap that they are trying to give us.
Message Edited by Diango on 04-15-2005 11:57 PM
Skread13
Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:25 pm
#2
Eh, I like the fact all this 90% armor is going away, there will be diversity in everyone, PSG's are to work as they were ment to be. it is unfortunate though MAS are to turn into clones, but armor had to change.
BLD_007
Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:26 pm
#3
Diango wrote:
Aside from the combat professions, I never thought you guys would get screwed due to the combat downgrade. I'm truly sorry for what they are about to do to you guys, from what they are about to do to all of us. When they did the copy and paste code from EQ2 to SWG they did not forsee this happening. I saw screw it, keep revolting and let your voices be heard. We want our game back, not this crap that they are trying to give us.
AMEN
Lauralon
Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:27 pm
#4
Skread13 wrote:Eh, I like the fact all this 90% armor is going away, there will be diversity in everyone, PSG's are to work as they were ment to be. it is unfortunate though MAS are to turn into clones, but armor had to change.
you obviously haven't read anything thats been recently posted about the exp system in the CU and how effective armor is in the CU now. You should inform your ignorant self because we're all seeing there will be no variety besides appearance. Atleast no more than we currently have.
Skread13
Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:33 pm
#5
Lauralon wrote:
Skread13 wrote:
Eh, I like the fact all this 90% armor is going away, there will be diversity in everyone, PSG's are to work as they were ment to be. it is unfortunate though MAS are to turn into clones, but armor had to change.
you obviously haven't read anything thats been recently posted about the exp system in the CU and how effective armor is in the CU now. You should inform your ignorant self because we're all seeing there will be no variety besides appearance. Atleast no more than we currently have.
Oh i know but you must ask yourself ( and ofcourse this is the reason everyone wears compsite now) if i had to choose between two or more different types of armor but there is always 1 type of armor that is more effective than all others then everyone will grind to be cert'd for that spacific armor and you see...the problem is not solved. Before you jump on me for being ignorant maybe you should enlighten yourself to think how the developers are thinking. don't be childish.
Ryche_Mykola
Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:39 pm
#6
Skread13 wrote:Eh, I like the fact all this 90% armor is going away, there will be diversity in everyone, PSG's are to work as they were ment to be. it is unfortunate though MAS are to turn into clones, but armor had to change.
You obviously haven't tested PSG's to make a statement like that. Have you ever crafted a PSG?
Diversity in Everyone? Kinda, sure the skins will be different, but the stats on the armor will all be the same or fairly close to one another.
Saying MAS are "clones" at making composite is actually pretty far off. With how layering works in the armor, there were a huge variety of "flavors" to make in composite.
When making statements about MAS at least be a MAS.
Message Edited by Ryche_Mykola on 04-15-2005 04:44 PM
Andymantium
Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:42 pm
#7
Skread13 wrote:
Oh i know but you must ask yourself ( and ofcourse this is the reason everyone wears compsite now) if i had to choose between two or more different types of armor but there is always 1 type of armor that is more effective than all others then everyone will grind to be cert'd for that spacific armor and you see...the problem is not solved. Before you jump on me for being ignorant maybe you should enlighten yourself to think how the developers are thinking. don't be childish.
This isn't about armor variety, this is about inherent armor functionality and the crafting process behind it.
I recommend you read more threads in this forum before commenting further.
Skread13
Fri Apr 15, 2005 2:56 pm
#8
....yeeeeah I know it sucks how all armorsmiths are going to be clones, no difference between 12pnt, 10 pnt...
/taps microphone
...is this thing on?
nevermind i'll just shut up.
Katosan
Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:49 am
#10
To address this person....
As a MAS AND a combat professional, I use whatever armor suits the situation. I typically have three or four different suits of armor, two composite suits, 1 ubese and 1 padded.
Everything depends upon what I plan to do that night.
I do not use the "best" armor, I use what is "best" for the situation - and THAT my friend is different every time.
THAT is the joy of being an MAS - being able to craft something specific to a situation and market it as such.
Be well.
mistereous1
Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:56 am
#11
Skread13 wrote:
Eh, I like the fact all this 90% armor is going away, there will be diversity in everyone, PSG's are to work as they were ment to be. it is unfortunate though MAS are to turn into clones, but armor had to change.
You've opened yourself up for attack, so don't be surprised when you're attacked. I know the point you're trying to make, so I'll try to develop your idea a little further.
No one is saying the combat upgrade is a bad idea, it can be good for the game. However, the execution of the combat upgrade has left lots to be desired. The communication has deteriorated to the point there is distrust between the development group and the players. It's a combat upgrade, not a crafting upgrade. You're arguing a point of functionality which no one is against. It's the path that we use to get to that end that was needlessly changed. I say needlessly because so far there has been no reason identified. If there was open honest communication about what's going on then we could all guide each other.
The devs could add their expertise and their vision which is in part shaped by our experience using the system and our vision of fixes and corrections to bring it all together. That's what's missing here, and now you have a situation where they aren't saying anything and to be quite honest, I'm not sure we're ready to listen. The sad thing is most of us feel the only voice we have left is to cancel accounts. That isn't the way it should be.
Message Edited by mistereous1 on 04-16-2005 01:42 PM
Gundarkfarmer
Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:25 am
#12
True, armor had to change, everyone and their grandmother was tired from seeing composite armor all the time, witha dash of RIS here and there. True, not all new armor is... that pretty, or cool for that matter, recon armor in all is horrible, only theST scout armor is so-so.
But they could, and MUSTdo something about the state of both armorsmith and weaponsmith, they are loosing their professions of higly custom built items with tons of exprimentation varbiels into a "I am a robot - I spit out the same stat armor 24/7". If we wanted that, we could just have left composite where it is now on the live servers.
#1 If they boost the protection, the hindrance goes up.
#2 If the lower hindrance, they lower the protection.
Atleast this is the understanding I have gotten from talkingto AS on the testcenter, and the same vibes from WS about dam/speed.
If the two supporting professions of weapons & armor onlyspits out thesame armor with the same stats, what's the use? what is the use of this whole game if we can't as combatants & crafters strive for perfection in the gear we use or produce?
I vote for that exprimentation for the survival of all, in aspectsof weapon- & armorsmiths gets a respect on exprimentation & customization, fast, nowand bloody yesterday.If we are going to use the same weaponsas everyoneelsewhere just seeing people leaving thegame. :<
Theold exprimentation system worked and was rewarding! When you do an "upgrade" of something, youdon't remove something people loved and found useful!!! then it's aDOWNGRADE 
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