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Thread: In light of what we now now about the CURB and armor, lets talk Segment Enhancers and Epic Armor

Carason
Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:26 pm
#1

One concern....if RIS would be the "end all...be all" armor, can you imagine 50 people huddled in the back of the Geo Cave waiting for Ackley to spawn? I've tried to get a schematic there, but everytime I fight my way back there, and wait for the spawn, two ormore guys who logged in the back of the cavelog back in at the last minuteto outdamage me. Then... they have the nerve to say "If you want a schematic...go BUY one!"


I try to have fun at this game, and have a good time hunting my own hide/bone/loot components with my alt, but dont appreciate the fact that the components I really need to make high-quality armor/weapons are being horded by selfish players taking shortcuts/exploits. Making the Interwoven RIS schem ultra-rare will just encourage these players to camp Ackley more, making the cost of the schematic astronomical, and making the cost of RIS unattainable for most players. Ackley would become the new Nyax. If the Interwoven Schem were occasionally dropped by other mobs/NPC's that might help, I just have a bad feeling about what may happen if it's left as is.


Just my 2 credits...I'll get off my soapbox now.


Carason

Master Armorsmith/Master Weaponsmith

RIS Certified

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ZionHalcyon
Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:08 pm
#2






Carason wrote:

One concern....if RIS would be the "end all...be all" armor, can you imagine 50 people huddled in the back of the Geo Cave waiting for Ackley to spawn? I've tried to get a schematic there, but everytime I fight my way back there, and wait for the spawn, two ormore guys who logged in the back of the cavelog back in at the last minuteto outdamage me. Then... they have the nerve to say "If you want a schematic...go BUY one!"


I try to have fun at this game, and have a good time hunting my own hide/bone/loot components with my alt, but dont appreciate the fact that the components I really need to make high-quality armor/weapons are being horded by selfish players taking shortcuts/exploits. Making the Interwoven RIS schem ultra-rare will just encourage these players to camp Ackley more, making the cost of the schematic astronomical, and making the cost of RIS unattainable for most players. Ackley would become the new Nyax. If the Interwoven Schem were occasionally dropped by other mobs/NPC's that might help, I just have a bad feeling about what may happen if it's left as is.


Just my 2 credits...I'll get off my soapbox now.


Carason

Master Armorsmith/Master Weaponsmith

RIS Certified

Corbantis - Dantooine Mining Outpost (-100, 2500)







No, that is very true.


Then I propose a better idea: How about the Interwoven Schematic is a quest item given by the GLB (Greedy Little Bothan) after you have done the RIS certification and made a full suit of RIS? You do some off jobs for him, and in return, you get an interwoven RIS schematic, and you can repeat the quest, but only once in a given time period (Day? Week? Month? Year? Other?).


Thus, that would limit the Schematic to ONLY Master Armorsmiths, no one would be able to "Camp" it, every MAS with RIS cert and have made the full suit AND finished the GLB's quest gets one, and thus we as crafters now have the power to make a special Interwoven RIS suit, and can also steadily control its supply into the world.


How about that as an alternative to Acklay camping - solves the camping issue, and allows crafters to get "Uber Loot" for once.



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GARonin
Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:21 pm
#3

LOL...one little problem, Zion...after ya make all that pretty RIS (or Interwoven RIS), you won't be able to equip/waer it under the currently proposed system!!! (cuz you're not "certified")...That's a slap in the face, eh ?



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ZionHalcyon
Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:28 pm
#4

You don't know that.


And even so, take your greivances to another thread - this topic isn't about armor certification.



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GARonin
Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:30 pm
#5

my comment WAS related to armor certification...



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GARonin
Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:34 pm
#6

Sorry, Zion...I did not intend to hijack your thread...my apologies...I have been a Master AS for about 16 months now...Just hate to see where this is headed...



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ZionHalcyon
Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:47 pm
#7






GARonin wrote:

my comment WAS related to armor certification...







I know, but this thread isn't.



Apology accepted, but if you have to vent, do it in a thread with a related topic, or make your own.




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kesstral
Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:55 pm
#8

It would be nice to see base and non-NS/jantaenhancers actually be worthwhile. I get alot of guildmates trying to pawn brackerset or voritor segments off on me.... maybe I can turn around and make something useful for them after this update



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ZionHalcyon
Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:17 pm
#9

Exactly - thats the idea.



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ravingbantha
Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:13 pm
#10

I think Mando is going to now be crafted as a shell, to be added to a core piece of armor
jason67
Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:09 am
#11






ZionHalcyon wrote:

Now, in addition to that, I want to talk about the "Epic Armor"s as the devs call them, Mandolorian and RIS. Right now, there is positively NOTHING Epic about them other than their looks. Therefore, I think these armors, in order to TRULY make them feel epic, should NOT follow the Ying-Yang effect, and instead be allowed to be crafted as they have in the previous system, where raising one stat does NOT lower the other. RIS is supposed to be rare, and therefore, it should already have a built in control that prevents them from greatly unbalancing the game. Thus, RIS achieves the Epic status it was MEANT to have in the game.


And in order to avoid truly top shelf RIS, the devs have to do one simple thing - make the Interwoven RIS schematic RARE. That's it. Even if everyone rushes out to get RIS, without interwoven, people aren't likely to even sniff 80% kin 60% base without good loot items. So even RIS would have limits, and the Interwoven RIS schematic would be the "Holy Grail" of RIS, allowing for the Best RIS on the server to be crafted. That would TRULY make RIS as epic as the devs say it should be.






That's not entirely correct. I used pretty average janta hides(4%) with crafted kin/stun layers and made a helm that came out with 80%kin/66%base/4%stun and still had pretty good hams on it(207 mind as I recall). This was standard RIS, not interwoven. helmet got sliced up to 85% base . The Chest I made at the same time only made it up to 64% base but still decent(other stats the same). If this was interwoven then I could have really had some fun with it adding a nice yellow cube and a NS layer could have easily put me up at 75%+ base resist.



I do hope all the enhancers will now become usefull as you mentioned though. It would be nice to actually see a purpose for what is currently considered all useless loot.







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ZionHalcyon
Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:30 am
#12

Yeah, I put up there earlier that that question was answered.



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ZionHalcyon
Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:25 pm
#13

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