Armorsmith Archive
Thread: A Master Ranger has a question about hide harvesting
Firstly I want to say that I have done business with some of the finest AS's on Lowca... and for that I salute you. Being a ranger I have a few questions about harvesting contracts and the supply and demand of hides and bones.
1) With the new Chef foods out, would a crate or two of high quality veghash (which adds to the harvesting rate for scouts and rangers) be fair to ask for up front from an armorsmith client as a retainer? Obviously this is for clients with whom I have established a relationship with to avoid the appearance of taking the food and running
2) My intent is to establish a fair price so that the AS can succeed in business and I can succeed in rangering, my second question is...what would be a fair barter for high quality hides in lieu of or in addition to credits?
Please post your ideas and suggestions, knowing that I have the utmost respect for Armorsmiths. It is professions like yours that keep my bank at a comfortable (but not extravagant) level and add challenge and fun to my play time.
Thanks in advance.
Hiya bud, im an armorsmith, ranger with just tracking 4 on wanderhome. I wanted to ask you about veghash before i really think too hard about what you are asking. I have gone through about 3 crates of veghash, and im just not seeing the results i expected. Tell me your experience with veghash and id love to talk. I so do want a way for armorsmiths and rangers to work together, but on my server, so far it has been difficult finding big time hunters that will listen to us and harvest the best stuff.
I dont want a ranger to get pissed at me when i wont buy his 20k of dathomirian leathery hide because it has a SR of 239 ya know.
Jamaika
I know the feeling. Most Professional Career Rangers like myself study what AS's need and look for. When I see a critter that has a high SR (around 800 and up) I send an email to my contacts asking them if they want it. From what I understand, with a high SR, you can make layers of protection that increase the amounts of resistance.
Naturally when I see a hide of oq of over 900 once again, I do the same thing. I ask for the same price, and I dont gouge the professional AS's. Using 10cpu for a base price (15 cpu if on a planet like dathomir) I find that most AS's are very willing to work with me either in barter or payment in cash.
As for my experiences with veghash, I am not completely impressed, unless a very high quality is made, the harvesting plusses arent that great.
For example
+50 = 30% increase
+12.5 = increase from 69 to 74 units = roughly +7.5%
It can thus be extrapolated that the +30 would bring an 18% increase in harvests.
If you harvest 10 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 11.8 with the +30 Veghash
If you harvest 50 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 59.0 with the +30 Veghash
If you harvest 70 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 82.6 with the +30 Veghash
If you harvest 100 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 118 with the +30 Veghash
If you harvest 300 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 354 with the +30 Veghash
OK, is it worth the BE enhancement? I would probably sell the standard Veghash for about 75-100 credits per use while the +30 stuff with a BE enhancement would have to be 600 per use if the current trend of 2k per medium BE additive remains and *only* that price is directly added to the price of the Veghash. 600 for 12 minutes of harvesting.
For the +16 Veghash the numbers would look as following:
9.6% increase in yield
If you harvest 10 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 10.96 with the +16 Veghash
If you harvest 50 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 54.80 with the +16 Veghash
If you harvest 70 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 76.72 with the +16 Veghash
If you harvest 100 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 109.6 with the +16 Veghash
If you harvest 300 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 328.8 with the +16 Veghash
However, when an armorsmith wants a high quantity, I have found that every little bit helps. Personally, I just wish that Rangers get upgraded to harvesting levels that would be worth our time and your money...but thats a ways off
Hope this helps out...
Hi - I am looking for high quality Leathery and Wooly hide and am looking for a ranger that I can get a business relationship going. Please let me know if you have any hide thats of good quality and I will gladly buy it from you - at the right price of course.
Please email me in game !!
Leana Sulima
Master AS
The monetary system was invented to have a common ground to compare the value of two parties time and effort, so why not use it?
IMHO your customer should not be concerned with the methods you use for harvesting your hides, just like the armorsmith doesnt bother his customer with details like who harvested his hides or what BER his harvester is.Once you work out a price per unit of hide, then it should be up to you to figure out if the added cost of veghash is worth the extra hides it will produce.
This also applies to your 2nd question. Once you got a price per unit of hide worked out, it should be pretty easy to work out the number of units it takes to equal the ammount of credits the armorsmith wants for his armor. Because you have a two way business relationship he might be willing to offer you a discount compared to what he would charge his normal customers, but it is still best to calculate the value of his and your goods into credits.
Finally, here are a couple of tips that will help you find the right hides to make sure you get the highest ammount of credits for your time. I cant really comment on prices for various qualities, as this will vary a lot from server to server based on economy and resource spawn history, but in general terms:
90% of all armorsmiths will only be looking for leathery and wooly hides. Theese go into the top sellers, Ubese and Composite. Any other type of hide, and bones for that matter, go into slow moving and/or low profit types of armor, and will be in less demand and be worth a lot less.
The most important stats for theese hides are OQ and SR. Theese are what is used to determine the resistance of armor, and this is obviouslythe first thing a customer will look for. The average of the two stats is what is being used so it does no good if one is high and the other is low. Decent MA and UT is a bonus, but useless if the OQ+SR is low. I'd say the "universal" standard for what is considered high quality is when the OQ+SR combined is 1600 or more. At this point the hide will be good enough that armorsmiths will want to stockpile as much as they can get their hands on. Anything below this they will only buy in large enoug quantities to fill their immediate needs.
I understand that most customers don't really consider ham costs as a purchasing factor, but IMHO they should. Buffs don't last forever.
A recent shift of Tat wooly on Valcyn provided us with mal-890 oq-978 sr-957 ut-940. Pretty awesome stats and banthas were soon after declared an endangered species. The problem, if you would call it that, is that you could only harvest around 50 units max at master scout level. The highest price I've seen for this hide is 100 c/u. It appears to me that 30-50 c/u seems to be fair market value.
With this in mind, I think that using veghash to get a harvesting bonus would be worth the cost of the veghash even if it was only +16. The additional units you could harvest would cover the the expense pretty quickly.
I know the feeling. Most Professional Career Rangers like myself study what AS's need and look for. When I see a critter that has a high SR (around 800 and up) I send an email to my contacts asking them if they want it. From what I understand, with a high SR, you can make layers of protection that increase the amounts of resistance.
Naturally when I see a hide of oq of over 900 once again, I do the same thing. I ask for the same price, and I dont gouge the professional AS's. Using 10cpu for a base price (15 cpu if on a planet like dathomir) I find that most AS's are very willing to work with me either in barter or payment in cash.
As for my experiences with veghash, I am not completely impressed, unless a very high quality is made, the harvesting plusses arent that great.
For example
+50 = 30% increase
+12.5 = increase from 69 to 74 units = roughly +7.5%
It can thus be extrapolated that the +30 would bring an 18% increase in harvests.
If you harvest 10 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 11.8 with the +30 Veghash
If you harvest 50 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 59.0 with the +30 Veghash
If you harvest 70 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 82.6 with the +30 Veghash
If you harvest 100 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 118 with the +30 Veghash
If you harvest 300 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 354 with the +30 Veghash
OK, is it worth the BE enhancement? I would probably sell the standard Veghash for about 75-100 credits per use while the +30 stuff with a BE enhancement would have to be 600 per use if the current trend of 2k per medium BE additive remains and *only* that price is directly added to the price of the Veghash. 600 for 12 minutes of harvesting.
For the +16 Veghash the numbers would look as following:
9.6% increase in yield
If you harvest 10 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 10.96 with the +16 Veghash
If you harvest 50 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 54.80 with the +16 Veghash
If you harvest 70 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 76.72 with the +16 Veghash
If you harvest 100 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 109.6 with the +16 Veghash
If you harvest 300 units of a critter without Veghash you would thus get 328.8 with the +16 Veghash
However, when an armorsmith wants a high quantity, I have found that every little bit helps. Personally, I just wish that Rangers get upgraded to harvesting levels that would be worth our time and your money...but thats a ways off
Hope this helps out...