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Thread: Tricks to getting 8k Energy Resists: Using Primus? Or No...

WittyNewt
Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:06 pm
#1






Capt_Obvious wrote:

also just so you know its a bit unwise generally speaking to mix layers as they tend to cancel each other out


ie energy layers will cause kinetic resists to be lost so the primus layers that you would be mixing with would get negated by the energy layers. Feel free to test but its general concensus that this is a bad idea.








I disagree here Capt, still each to there own, this is just my opinion versus yours or course . Sometimes a mixed primus/energy layer stack can work quite well if you make use of the non linear resist curve and try to maximise energy without killing kinetic too much. A 2 + 2 primus energy mix would allow you to get upto 7800 energy and also not tank kinetic down to the steep part of the resist curve.


For instance, with different build I could come up with the following recon stats using 95 and 45 energy and primus layers


A. All energy recon

energy 8141 (56%)

kinetic 3859 (35%)

base 6000 (48%)


B All primus recon

energy 7547 (54%)

kinetic 5547 (45%)

base 5453 (45%)


C Energy/primus twin (2+2) recon

energy 7844 (55%)

kinetic 4703 (40%)

base 5726 (46%)


A 1% drop in energy between A and C for a 5% increase in kinetic. I guess it all depends on what the customer wants. Obviously A would sell best due to the energy figure, but B or C might actually be better depending on the type of combat to be undertaken.


Kreen



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jbdotcom
Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:12 pm
#2


As long as you can get into the 6Ks, it is not worth the aggrevation to get more. Diminishing returns suck and the difference between 6k and 8k+ is only a few small percent difference at the cost of a LOT of manufacutring time and good materials. No real point in trying to be an elite crafter these days when the practical return is so pathetically small.



JB
ProfessorXavior
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:20 am
#3

I have the best resources to ever spawn on the Corbantis server...and yet, the highest Energy resists I can get using Primus layers is around 7700-7800 on Recon. I have heard others from various servers getting 8k, but wondering: How is this possible?Are you using non-Primus layers and solely Energy Layers? The reason I haven't experimented much with Energy lairs is that I don't have the best resources for the layers for what they currently require...


If Energy layers are the way to go, then I can start collecting those resources...but I want to be sure by asking the 'smith populous. What about a Primus/Energy mix?


Thanks for your time.


Physion Montaire, Corbantis
EdOWar
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:22 am
#4

The only way to get 8K+ energy resists is to use energy layers. Even withaverage resources you'll probably still get better energy resists than you will using even very good primus layers.


Slim Vargo, Corbantis


ProfessorXavior
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:23 am
#5

I see...I guess I need to buckle down and experiment using a little of both, maybe half Primus and Half energy...who knows.


Thanks

Physion
WittyNewt
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:28 am
#6






ProfessorXavior wrote:

I have the best resources to ever spawn on the Corbantis server...and yet, the highest Energy resists I can get using Primus layers is around 7700-7800 on Recon. I have heard others from various servers getting 8k, but wondering: How is this possible?Are you using non-Primus layers and solely Energy Layers? The reason I haven't experimented much with Energy lairs is that I don't have the best resources for the layers for what they currently require...


If Energy layers are the way to go, then I can start collecting those resources...but I want to be sure by asking the 'smith populous. What about a Primus/Energy mix?


Thanks for your time.


Physion Montaire, Corbantis






Short answer no, pure pirmus build cant go over 7600


Unlayered energy recon cap is 7000. Perfect primus will add 600 on top of that so best with perfect layer resources would be 7600.


Maths is straightforward.


Primus layers add max 50 to kinetic/energy


Energy layers add max 100 to energy and subtract 100 from kinetic.


12 layers per advanced core for 12 x 50 = 600 and 12 x 1000 = 1200.


Substitue your layer valuesinto this formula and these numbers to your unlayered recon energy stat to work out you final layered result. e.g. your primus layer is 45 and energy is 90 so you will have 540 primus and 1080 energy.


For a primus/energy mix then just do a45 x ? +90 x ? sum.


If you want the full gory details try this post of mine a few pages back


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=armorsmith&message.id=103706


Kreen


Message Edited by WittyNewt on 07-26-2005 08:32 PM



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ProfessorXavior
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:38 am
#7

wow..nice LOL


Physion



Thank you very much


Capt_Obvious
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:42 am
#8

also just so you know its a bit unwise generally speaking to mix layers as they tend to cancel each other out


ie energy layers will cause kinetic resists to be lost so the primus layers that you would be mixing with would get negated by the energy layers. Feel free to test but its general concensus that this is a bad idea.





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daboarder89
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:46 am
#9

not necisarily because if he just wants to break the 8000s theres no point in sending your kinetic to hell for an extra 200 protection ... so mixing in some primus would save your kinetic a bit



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Capt_Obvious
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:54 am
#10

k good point I suppose



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ProfessorXavior
Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:59 am
#11

Yes, that is sad but true...I am trying to make the best out of a most annoying situation..I WAS one of the best Asmith's on the server in terms of stats because I worked so hard to get THE best resources for the higher quality armor..now, I on the same par as everyone else...nothing special about the armor I make, it takesmore obscure resources that are a pain in the arse to get which only give a diminishing return after a while, and a bunch of customers who don't really care about resists, only the look...because as I see it, having good..not great, not super..just good armor...is pointless. I wish I had enough patience to get into something else, seems like Bio Engineer might be the way to go...sheesh, I dunno. You know who come up with this new armor system? Yea, that guy..he's an idiot. Can't think past his own ego, I bet. "Hey, look what I did!"...yea, what you did SUX!.."Yea, well...your an insignificant customer and what I say goes, regardless of your input. Quite frankly, I really don't care what you think, otherwise, I would have sought out your input...worm"...


/unknownsalute

/cowersaway


What's the point..


Physion
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