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Eleutherios
Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:17 pm
#92
Before I got my Healing Eff/Combat Probot, I used my Varacytl for situations like this... the constant attacking keeps him from being able to logout safely, and since he can't heal, the damage eventually wears him down. I actually triple-incapped a Jedi this way. He ran into water, sat in the middle of it, then said some sort of Jeedai taunt. So I pulled out the Varactyl and sent it at him. It got him real low on health because he was just floating there, so he ran to shore. He got within 48m so I attacked him and incapped him. He got up and started to swim away, then the varactyl got the 2nd and 3rd incap, and I got the cash. 
TonieStark
Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:41 pm
#93
Since Friday evening I have taken (no joke) over 25 missions. I currently (Sunday evening) have produced a 2 win 2 loss record from those 25 missions.
I have some ideas that will let us get away from XP loss, especially now that the names are not on the terms. maybe I will post them tonight in a seperate thread. Ideas that will motivate jedi to stay and fight.
Thassk
Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:23 am
#94
hard to see the pic... but ya if the jedi is in water use a droid or pet ...
Eebi
Mon Sep 05, 2005 1:57 pm
#95
Let me start by saying I was happy you guys got your revamp. Not a class needed it more. That being said, you guys ought to stop trying to get your own profession nerfed.
Honestly, I won't follow anyone just because they have a title. For all I know, he could be another custard. And thats just what we need, more of them. I follow people by thier actions, charisma and how cool headed they stay. On my server, us imps use to do huge pvp action all the time, lead by the same guy. -Anvil- knew exactly what he was doing, where to apply pressure to the rebels, and when to back of and play D. But guess what? He wasn't a SL. He was a jedi.
He proved himself time in and time again, always staying till the last rebel died. Not once did he abandon his troops, and his blood was spilt alongside ours. That being said, he had all the needed requirments to lead. He had no title, and he didn't need it.
Now for the multiple SL in a group thing, you got to realise it's some positives, but also some negatives. As I understand, you won't be able to stack the same buffs (say jonny applies buff a, timmy can't also apply buff a), not to mention after you apply these buffs the SL is still just another ranged (most of the time) guy. Now while you can put those buffs on fast, do you really gain anymore bennefits then a group with 7 jedi and one SL? Nope, not at all. In fact, you still stand a pretty good chance at getting tore up by those said jedi. Half of our new moves only provide buffs worth using durring a fight, and half of the remaining are only usefull in leaving said fight.
And for the guy making fun of the level damage to everyone move in another forum, think of it this way. It just makes it that much easier to use bacta spray and heal everyone with only one use. I don't know, hope I said something constructive in this post. I'd love some retorts, although I feel i've laid it all on the table.
BadChef
Mon Sep 05, 2005 3:21 pm
#96
Read through the comments from current SL's instead of the partial quotes from people who are saying the exact same thing you just did without listening to all of what us SL's are saying. As we've told others, we're well aware that leadership is in our actions not in the skill tree...getting tired of us haveing to go over this again and again. We're not saying we need to keep a tight grip on the control of the group, but we have to concern ourselves with the possibilites of unbalance, exploits, and lack of orginisation.
We have the right to be concerned with the role of our profession, who wouldnt be? We compromise self sufficiency in our build to lend aid and leadership to our groups, that's the bit of content we have. If we're not concerned about what this might become for our groups and teamwork, then what els have we? So before anyone els twists our words to somthing negative, please read through our posts, and others posts first thing.
Sylow
Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:00 pm
#97
Read through the comments from current SL's instead of the partial quotes from people who are saying the exact same thing you just did without listening to all of what us SL's are saying. As we've told others, we're well aware that leadership is in our actions not in the skill tree...getting tired of us haveing to go over this again and again. We're not saying we need to keep a tight grip on the control of the group, but we have to concern ourselves with the possibilites of unbalance, exploits, and lack of orginisation.
We have the right to be concerned with the role of our profession, who wouldnt be? We compromise self sufficiency in our build to lend aid and leadership to our groups, that's the bit of content we have. If we're not concerned about what this might become for our groups and teamwork, then what els have we? So before anyone els twists our words to somthing negative, please read through our posts, and others posts first thing.
/sign
(And please don't join the crowd who misinterpret everything we say as to be the greed to fulfy our ego and desire to dominate. If we would have those, we would not have stuck to the profession in the past.)
Eebi
Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:10 pm
#98
Well as is, you guys are trying to make a change on my future playstile. As soon as the patch comes out, I plan on using those buffs but not being the GL. Is my money not as good as yours?
With the way things are looking, you can still be the GL since you hold the mighty tag SL. Thats fine. But moreover why should the skills I put time into grinding, bleeding and sweating not work? The way you want it, it'll look more like alot of 3-4 man groups. And why are they that small? Because we now have alot of SL. And we don't want to waste buffs, heavens no.
And who says that if someone was a leader, but put into a non leader position (as in hes another grunt on this mission) won't have any good feedback? What, because he isn't the leader he won't have any good tips or won't help with commands to the fresh recruits? The way you guys want it to be makes no sense. That because he isn't a GL, he won't give the men courage by being there with them? Or are you trying to say that because he isn't the GL that he will become mute suddenly?
On another note, you told me to read what people have said. I have prior to the post I made, not to mention I am keeping a update on all the posts. I like being informed. But do me a favor and re-read mine. Like I said, these buffs aren't going to tip the scales that much. And as said in the post mentioned, I doubt a group of eight SL will be able to take down a group of 7 jedi's and one SL. But then again, who knows till the patch comes out.
As someone said in another post, true sl learn to deal with changes and work em. Not sit and whine about them on forums.
Message Edited by Eebi on 09-05-2005 11:11 PM
BadChef
Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:44 pm
#99
Thank you much. I'm glad you've read my posts and it's now clear to you that I'm not against or in favour of haveing to be the group leader. Or it's not clear but oh well, I tried. Since we've had to look ahead for quite some time I guess it's habbit that we're trying to look ahead now. Yes, who knows till the patch comes out. And, who knows a number of patches after that when the confusion, exploits, and complaints from other professions start rolling in. I'm not against this patch, the content of it I look forward to useing and I have some hope that it will be worked on a little more before it's put to live.
Now, if any of us have to say it one more time, I wont be soo polite. We know that leadership is in nature and not in the skill tree. Catch that? We arent pushing to have complete and unquestioned controle over our groups. What we're pushing for before this goes live is safeguards put in place to keep the new set up from getting out of conrtrol. Already I've seen posts on other forums of fears that groups will be filled with SL dabblers and already the bh/jedi issue is being discussed as to our new changes. Our need for some sort of structure is not only our concern but of other professions as well. Ofcours we'l learn to deal with the changes but with the publish as is, other professions, namely bh and jedi will not and we'l have to suffer apparent nerfs to come.
GrievousAngel
Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:27 am
#101
Eebi wrote:Let me start by saying I was happy you guys got your revamp. Not a class needed it more. That being said, you guys ought to stop trying to get your own profession nerfed.Honestly, I won't follow anyone just because they have a title. For all I know, he could be another custard. And thats just what we need, more of them. I follow people by thier actions, charisma and how cool headed they stay. On my server, us imps use to do huge pvp action all the time, lead by the same guy. -Anvil- knew exactly what he was doing, where to apply pressure to the rebels, and when to back of and play D. But guess what? He wasn't a SL. He was a jedi.He proved himself time in and time again, always staying till the last rebel died. Not once did he abandon his troops, and his blood was spilt alongside ours. That being said, he had all the needed requirments to lead. He had no title, and he didn't need it.Now for the multiple SL in a group thing, you got to realise it's some positives, but also some negatives. As I understand, you won't be able to stack the same buffs (say jonny applies buff a, timmy can't also apply buff a), not to mention after you apply these buffs the SL is still just another ranged (most of the time) guy. Now while you can put those buffs on fast, do you really gain anymore bennefits then a group with 7 jedi and one SL? Nope, not at all. In fact, you still stand a pretty good chance at getting tore up by those said jedi. Half of our new moves only provide buffs worth using durring a fight, and half of the remaining are only usefull in leaving said fight.And for the guy making fun of the level damage to everyone move in another forum, think of it this way. It just makes it that much easier to use bacta spray and heal everyone with only one use. I don't know, hope I said something constructive in this post. I'd love some retorts, although I feel i've laid it all on the table.
I think what has everyone worked up is the idea that we finally get a revamp which is looking very nice overall but due to the current design it brings about the possibility our profession will get nerfed into obscurity again where all of our abilities are useless instead of just most as is how things are now. Naturally, we all have our opinions on how things should be handled to prevent this which is obviously creating a lot of tension. All in all, I believe that what the devs finally present us with may not make everyone happy but I truly hope it will leave us in a much better position than we're in now. Personally, I say welcome to you and to any constructive ideas you have. Just keep in mind any flames you may get aren't necessarily directed at you personally but rather may be due to the reason I listed above.
NickdeClaw
Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:46 pm
#102
I miss the FRS.. 
Message Edited by NickdeClaw on 10-31-2005 04:48 PM
MeiAbeo
Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:13 am
#103
Now I am not sure what the consensus is but there are only a few thigns that actually annoy me about this new release.
1. We had no wanrning. As with many of you I will unlock my last branch this month and have the XP needed to become a jedi.
2. No Alt. I am sure this is one of the major issues with many of us.
3. Wasted time. This just goes without saying. The amount of time we put into getting to where we are is ridiculous.
So what it comes down to is we are being penalized for being FS but not being good enough grinders to finish before this was popped on us?
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