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Thread: armor test
Wombatula wrote:
why would the elec be high if you huntin jedi? if anything HEAT and energy should be high, since both the fancy crytals do heat damage if I remember correctly
I thought Sunrider's did heat damage and the Bane's an electricity damage. I might be wrong though.
HawtubJawkuzzi wrote:
pretty nice combo figuring EVERY jedi (including mine) are using banes heart in their sabers....
so what you're saying is that the elemental damage is greater than the non elemental damage on your saber? since he could've gotten the energy resist a lot higher if he had fully energy layered it...
Wombatula wrote:
HawtubJawkuzzi wrote:
pretty nice combo figuring EVERY jedi (including mine) are using banes heart in their sabers....
so what you're saying is that the elemental damage is greater than the non elemental damage on your saber? since he could've gotten the energy resist a lot higher if he had fully energy layered it...
You can play the percentages game and get small advantages from the non linear nature of the protection curve and the fact that the curve flattens out. i.e increasing energy from say 7800 to 8000 is a lesser increase in percentage terms compared to increasing the heat from 5600 to 5800.
Of course, you need to balance this against the fact that the elemental from the saber is only a fraction of the energy damage. I think banes does just over 200 against an energy of 500?
Here is the a cut and paste of the info on the build I did a few months back for the customer. I concluded that the advantage was marginal, but the customer was sure thats what they wanted
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BH customer asked for a primus, heat mix layered RIS suit. They told me they were a BH MCarbs P0003 novice medic build.
The build I came up with was 3 primus and 1 heat per segment. Stats will be:
Kinetic 6045 6430 50.06%
Energy 6045 6430 50.06%
Heat 5474 5859 47.29%
Cold 4895 5280 44.14%
Acid 5185 5570 45.76%
Electricity 5185 5570 45.76%
Apparently, now elemental damage is fixed on lightsabers,
A full primus suit would have had 50.7% energy and 45.7% heat, so they have dropped half a percent of energy for 1.5% of heat.
Customer wanted primus rather than energy layers since they wanted to use the suit for general PVP as well.
How much is the elemental damage on the banes heart? Is it significant enough to make the above build sensible?
Am I going to get requests for custom recon made with 3 energy and 1 heat layer in the not to distant future? Should I capitalise on this FOTM and do a run of energy+heat ubese?
WittyNewt wrote:
Wombatula wrote:
HawtubJawkuzzi wrote:
pretty nice combo figuring EVERY jedi (including mine) are using banes heart in their sabers....
so what you're saying is that the elemental damage is greater than the non elemental damage on your saber? since he could've gotten the energy resist a lot higher if he had fully energy layered it...
You can play the percentages game and get small advantages from the non linear nature of the protection curve and the fact that the curve flattens out. i.e increasing energy from say 7800 to 8000 is a lesser increase in percentage terms compared to increasing the heat from 5600 to 5800.
Of course, you need to balance this against the fact that the elemental from the saber is only a fraction of the energy damage. I think banes does just over 200 against an energy of 500?
Here is the a cut and paste of the info on the build I did a few months back for the customer. I concluded that the advantage was marginal, but the customer was sure thats what they wanted
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BH customer asked for a primus, heat mix layered RIS suit. They told me they were a BH MCarbs P0003 novice medic build.
The build I came up with was 3 primus and 1 heat per segment. Stats will be:
Kinetic 6045 6430 50.06%
Energy 6045 6430 50.06%
Heat 5474 5859 47.29%
Cold 4895 5280 44.14%
Acid 5185 5570 45.76%
Electricity 5185 5570 45.76%
Apparently, now elemental damage is fixed on lightsabers,
A full primus suit would have had 50.7% energy and 45.7% heat, so they have dropped half a percent of energy for 1.5% of heat.
Customer wanted primus rather than energy layers since they wanted to use the suit for general PVP as well.
How much is the elemental damage on the banes heart? Is it significant enough to make the above build sensible?
Am I going to get requests for custom recon made with 3 energy and 1 heat layer in the not to distant future? Should I capitalise on this FOTM and do a run of energy+heat ubese?
I'm taking this to the jedi forums! Now I'm getting interested in builds like this, but we'd need to know what ratio elemental to energy the damage is.
Elemental is a % of the max damage..or the min..one of the 2. On the sabre not on the special.
When you make a saber and drop a colour in it you get a % of what the damage on the saber is. From memory, and I'm probably wrong, it's 20 or 25% for standard colours and 35% for a Banes or Sunriders.
Mines 200 Elemental 670 Energy max, this is a fairly decent post CU sabre, with a Banes/Sunriders.
I hit you with a special..let say leg hit for arguments sake and it does 1500 damage, only 200 of that will be elemental. I hit you with saber hit...670, 200 of that will be elemental assuming no armour.
The elemental doesnt scale from the special only the energy.
Energy layers are the go, but most importantly for hunting jedi is get it armour break sliced! AB slices seriously FUBAR the damage output of a lightsabre.
Sabers are the weakest Elite Weapon in the game.
I'm going by memory but I'm close.
ALR 1183?
82 SAC
Hammer 1180?
82 SAC
FWG5 966?
65 SAC
Elite Carb 1063
73 SAC
Remember you can slice and PUP these, and you CANNOT slice or PUP a Sabre.
Best saber on your server?
Nothing over 750 Max..and that's guranteed.
NOTHING UNDER 95 SAC!
If youre losing to jedi, well..there's 2 reasons for that.
Moving Jedi hunting to the MBH box was just a knee-jerk to the whining of the losers that just suck and cant accept that they want to be "ub4h l337" but dont want to have forced PVP, it effectively gimps MBH to one or two decent templates.
Secondly..you probably just suck.
Message Edited by Carthax on 10-08-2005 01:12 PM
yah I asked around, and apparently 200 ish damage is all you get from a banes heart, now consider that 3-5 times, or more, of the damage is coming through as energy, even with the diminishing returns it doesnt really seem effective to me to worry about your elemental too much, and since if you're making your armour properly and using energy layers you have 6k elemental....