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Thread: Prices on Shadowfire
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egoe
Sat May 14, 2005 1:40 pm
#14
It really doesnt surprise me, you have to remeber that AS now have to use 4-6 times the amount of resources, runs take way longer, and we lost weeks of production to all the new resources. We also have way more organic ingredients. My shop is still closed, and im not entirely sure if im re-opening. Now throw some supply and demand in the mix. Shadowfire used to have a ton of AS competing, there are not many left now with a stocked shop. These few, pretty much have carte blanch on pricing, and in all honesty the headache, time and credits it takes to get restblished with the cu does justify a high price.
If consumers stop buying it for 2-3 million the price will either drop or alternate lesser expensive armor may appear on the market.
If consumers stop buying it for 2-3 million the price will either drop or alternate lesser expensive armor may appear on the market.
Kilun
Sat May 14, 2005 3:08 pm
#15
Anyone on shadowfire thing of making just basic armor, I don't know how the stats will turn out, probably around 2500-3000 each, but will provide good enough armor for basic use. Maybe I'll take a look into it, might be worth a look. At least with basic, you can still use generic resources.
Thula
Sun May 15, 2005 12:13 am
#16
Trizusho,
If you are looking for unlayered faction armor you should be able to get it for less than a million if you provide the faction points...provided you can make a deal with a local smithy 
The problem is that many AS have quit due to the new crafting system and resource requirements. And as mentioned the crafting times have gone way up. I am just starting up again after the CU so I have not made up my mind regarding prices yet, but until the new resources have spawned and been harvested in sufficient quantities, amor will be expensive. Supply and demand...
Just wanted to add something:
I have noticed an influx of respec'ed AS both on SF and other servers. Welcome, you got it the easy way but are in for a though ride when you realise all the resources you need. Good luck, you will need it....
Message Edited by Thula on 05-14-2005 12:15 PM
wehcey
Sun May 15, 2005 11:43 am
#17
Trizusho wrote:
I just want an unlayered pair so the 2 mil for layered thing was a attn grabber. The unlayered stuff i want is being sold for 1 mil a set. For us folks that dont strive to get millions in credits this is making it so we cant get any. I refer to the sticky in this forum that gives some pricing on layered and unlayered factional armor which I'm basing my "whine" on. Sorry if this causes ppl to get upset but id like to enjoy some armor myself. I even saved 60k faction points ( all ground out btw )cause i was'nt quite clear on how we were gonna get this new armor. So its just frustrating to find out ill have to wait longer to get it. Please dont take this as I hate all armorsmiths on our serverthat is the furthest thing from my mind. I JUST WANT MY ARMOR!!!
wehcey wrote:
okay...after doing some math, faction armor costs about 370k for faction per suit...along with another 275k worth of cores. that is for the resources in the cores, seg, and quad layered plus the factory time....most people don't understand that is takes about 72hours or better to do a 1000layer run. we as AS have to take this into account.
so now we are about 650k for just the bear minimum. so now, the final apperance. i am still using ewekris which is worth a ton yet. and no elood..it's mine...lol...so we are talking around 800k for the finish suit in time, materials, resoures and blah blah blah.
okay..so is a 1.2 mill mark up way to much? i don't think so..supply and demand really sucks doesn't it. i don't want to sit on the server and craft non stop just to keep up. i figure that with a 1k run of armor layers is only about 10-11 padded suits. that sucks...no way we can mass produce anymore, no matter how hard we try.
i personally have scalled way back in my armor production. selling off all my pre-cu pieces i will just put about 10-20 suits a week on my vendors (sorry jettli..i will try more as more resources spawn) and when they are gone, they are gone.
before the CU every server had the best AS or the best top 5-8 that everyone wanted due to the stats on their armor and encomberance. now, with the 12pt master only benifit is if we get a "good" sucess, it is all a matter of resource quality. So the resource changes like dant wooley hide, naboo bristley and vintrium ore just went from 3cpu to about 20cpu+. this also effects price of armor. and also like elood said..alot of our 30k resource deeds are now the new resources..so them are on average 100cpu or better.
so in conclusion, until the factional armor or any new armor slows down on demand we will see the higher prices.
shadowfire for one has seen its toll in loosing AS's. jettli is still minor production and still around, phrozen i think is gone for good, i am limited due to resources, so there is only a hand full.
just my 2 cents, so before you whine about the prices think about the time it takes to making armor and the resources it takes. we are so dependent on others now...hides and lets not forget putting harvesters down is an adventure in its own. so the cost is gonna keep going up and up. what we AS need to do as a comunity is regulate ourselves on what we pay for hides. this will keep the cost of armor down being there was a 624%increase in armor usage. The bad thing about that is getting rangers and scouts to go out and activally collect. if we don't have that..supply will be down and demand will be up. it will be like the days of server opening where there was only 100k beyr copper on server. that was crazy times...lol
Message Edited by Trizusho on 05-14-2005 10:38 AM
Message Edited by Trizusho on 05-14-2005 10:41 AM
ahh..you refer to the sticky here..in the AS boards...well here is a little bit of info for you. Shadowfire is not the AS boards...that sicky was made from a different server where their resources prices are far less then ours. Shadowfire has some of the highest resource prices in SWG. so take that into account.
and i know what you mean where it is expensive...because it is. AS is an extremely resource intense profession. we are forced to buy more and more resources and we are not Wal-Mart. i am sure there will be some AS that come along that try the Wal-Mart ways but they won't last long.
Saarek
Mon May 16, 2005 10:40 am
#18
You know. come to think of it, out of al the resources I harvested before becoming an AS, i have used maybe 2 of them (Phrik Aluminum, and Corellian Fiberplast). All the rest i have had to buy.
Does this sound like a reasonable pricing structure?
Faction
Layered - 1,850,000
UnLayered - 1,400,000
Standard
Layered - 650,000
UnLayered - 400,000
Specialist
RIS Layered - 4,500,000
Mandolorian Layered - 4,000,000
let me know if im all out of whack on this one.
firehammer
Mon May 16, 2005 3:05 pm
#19
I'll take 30 suits of mando for 4 mil everyday till the end of time, and RIS. The other prices are exactly what I'm charging on eclipse.
Saarek wrote:
You know. come to think of it, out of al the resources I harvested before becoming an AS, i have used maybe 2 of them (Phrik Aluminum, and Corellian Fiberplast). All the rest i have had to buy.
Does this sound like a reasonable pricing structure?
Faction
Layered - 1,850,000
UnLayered - 1,400,000
Standard
Layered - 650,000
UnLayered - 400,000
Specialist
RIS Layered - 4,500,000
Mandolorian Layered - 4,000,000
let me know if im all out of whack on this one.
Mcgreag
Tue May 17, 2005 12:13 am
#20
firehammer wrote:
DaBarge wrote:
On Chilastra we are seeing 150K on up for regular armor and 425K and up for factional, but as they say supply and demand. A lot of demand on Chilastra but of the 5 other ASs that post on Chilastra Trade I have seen we seem to have hit this price as something fair for both sides. You will see a jump of around 150-250K on our server if you request something with layers in it due to the insane 5 min per layer factory time and just the amount of layers per core.Message Edited by DaBarge on 05-13-2005 04:21 PM
Whoever is selling for these prices will not be an armorsmith for long. It COSTS 200-350k just to make faction(depending on your faction source) Even in the old system my "Value" armor (80/80/60) was going for 199k and would sell faster then I could almost stock it. I don't care about resource stats either - Server Best is Server Best. He can run himself silly to sell 3-4 faction suits to my 1 if he would like. Talk about burn out. I am selling faction for 1.4 unlayered, unlayered for 400k, and layered is a 250k surcharge at least (if i like you and you don't use "lol' 40 times during the conversation.) Hand combining is a pain, thats time i could be collecting hide since armor now requires an unreal amount (Yes I used to think my 500k of server best wooly would last until the end of time)
It all depends on who is winning the war. For me the faction cost is 60k credits per suit. And as it's a lot easier to gather hides now prices for those are dropping, a ranger just sold me 100k for wooly with OQ+SR=1850 for 5cpu. So my prices reflect that (300k for faction armor). I really enjoy the fact that every time I see someone in faction armor it is very likely I where the maker, think I have provided more than half of all rebel faction armor on my server, make me very proud as a crafter. Worth much more to me than some useless credits.
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