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Thread: Armorsmiths! I have answers for you
JeCy wrote:
just a note on resources..
they are lots easier to get now with higher creature lvls.. i had someone get me 12k of naboo bristly in no time at all.. i think he hunted for a few hours.. it was droping in 200 units lots.. soo hides are easy to get in bulk now.. not like before
Je'Cy
i was collecting all afternoon for you ,,, and if you spawn level 78-80 missions the tusk cats drop 330-350 a pop,,, you stil need i got a few stacks to offer you?
Brutus_Krylop wrote:
CaileSathinor wrote:
2) Named resource requirements are just hella high still. Especially for stuff NO ONE wants to harvest, like Naboo Bristley. I worked the following solution out with the community:
-Reduce all Named organics (i.e. Naboo bristley, lokian leathery) to just generic bristley or leathery. Then move the organics from the cores into the skin at a 1:1 ratio. You thus preserve the amount of resources we need, but still make it possible for us to craft decent armors.
This means the one point that experimentation is the most important (protection and condition) would be mainly controlled by resources that come out of the grounds in millions. Using organics allows us to reinforce some interdependencies and not allow people to sit on massive multi million stockpiles of metals/ores.
As far as named organics in the minerals department, there's about 10 or so of these. Can you possibly cut these back to 5 named minerals that are new and make the rest just generic versions or some other resource we needed before? Big issues are Perovskitic Aluminum and Gravitonic Fiberplast, which shipwrights will be competing for in mass quantities (which is bad, from our perspective).
Maybe I'm just tired or out of sync, but the above question and answer make little sense to me.
As I've said, I've got no problem with a decently large organic requirement -- there are quite a few active hunters on Bloodfin that I have good relations with, and I can get what I need when I need it, for the most part.
What I have a severe problem with, and what seems to go unaddressed, is that the planetary-specific hides in the advanced core schematics serve no real function other than to annoy the smiths and hunters. What further concerns me about the planetary-specfic organics is that if a particular type is consistently bad, particularly Nabooian Bristley, then a large segment of the combat-oriented population's armor will be demonstrably worse than those who are certified for other types.
(Another concern that I haven't seen addressed is the comparative difficulty in getting Dantooine Wooly, Nabooian Bristley, and Lokian Leathery. One can easily get scaled missions for Dantooine Wooly and Lokian Leathery, or work from random spawns. Mission terminals on the Core Worlds were not providing scaled missions the last time I checked, making Nabooian Bristley even harder to gather.)
QFE
On point regarding named organics. The Devs can achieve the same goal of us using massive amounts of organics even if they aren't named.
Still not sure why the amount was raised. I think I read somewhere that organics were reduced for Doc/BE, so it was moved to us. Why don't they require hide for guns? They need something to pad the stocks with. Sorry...just a little rant to end this post. I can adapt to a lot of stuff, but the amount of organics kills me especially considering 30k of hide doesn't do near what it used to.
CaileSathinor wrote:
2) Named resource requirements are just hella high still. Especially for stuff NO ONE wants to harvest, like Naboo Bristley. I worked the following solution out with the community:
-Reduce all Named organics (i.e. Naboo bristley, lokian leathery) to just generic bristley or leathery. Then move the organics from the cores into the skin at a 1:1 ratio. You thus preserve the amount of resources we need, but still make it possible for us to craft decent armors.
This means the one point that experimentation is the most important (protection and condition) would be mainly controlled by resources that come out of the grounds in millions. Using organics allows us to reinforce some interdependencies and not allow people to sit on massive multi million stockpiles of metals/ores.
I might have a solution for the hide issues, it involves more interdependency but if at all possible, it'll keep some of the hide prices down. What if we got the devs to give bioengineers and tailorssome devices much like the shipwright's reverse engineering tool, but works only on hides, has to be used by the appropriate profession like how only a shipwright can reverse engineer. You putmultiple different hidesin (being of the same type of course, bristley, wooly, etc), and itspits out hides that have the beststats of the hides used, but unlike RE'ing you put 50 naboo bristley and 50 lokian bristley you get 100 bristley back. It would make sense to give the hides to tailors as they could "interweave" (sound familiar? 
) the hides to makes best use of their properties and nothing gets wasted. Bioengineers I see being used for animal bone or horn combining, tear it apart on a cellular level and rebuild it.
Clearly the idea needs to be fleshed out some, but it would make more hide spawns usable, creating a constant level of demand rather than huge demand spikes when something good surfaces and not much interest the rest of the time.
Message Edited by Rypht on 04-30-2005 01:04 AM
Message Edited by Rypht on 04-30-2005 01:06 AM
On point number 10, I noticed several days ago now on TC that armour was largely ineffective and that the level was the armour as pointed out in Calle's post. However, just before they pushed it Live armour must have been tweaked because as Blixtev has stated it is VERY helpful now.
I was fighting blue, white, and yellow conned mobs on Dant and wearing armour was the difference between surviving and dying. Checking the combat logs there is proof this works.
Of course, anything that is aggro and well above you in level is likely to incap you, but if you check your combat log you will find the armor did provide protection just not enough to save you from the massive blow.
CaileSathinor wrote:
I gave the Devs a list of the top 10 issues I feel we found were most relevant (I apologize if I missed something). Here's what Blixtev had to say:
-Reduce all Named organics (i.e. Naboo bristley, lokian leathery) to just generic bristley or leathery. Then move the organics from the cores into the skin at a 1:1 ratio. You thus preserve the amount of resources we need, but still make it possible for us to craft decent armors.
This means the one point that experimentation is the most important (protection and condition) would be mainly controlled by resources that come out of the grounds in millions. Using organics allows us to reinforce some interdependencies and not allow people to sit on massive multi million stockpiles of metals/ores.
Ok how about just removing the named organic resources then? Its still back to waiting for 6 months to a year or more for that greatNaboo bristley etc.
Rypht wrote:
CaileSathinor wrote:
2) Named resource requirements are just hella high still. Especially for stuff NO ONE wants to harvest, like Naboo Bristley. I worked the following solution out with the community:
-Reduce all Named organics (i.e. Naboo bristley, lokian leathery) to just generic bristley or leathery. Then move the organics from the cores into the skin at a 1:1 ratio. You thus preserve the amount of resources we need, but still make it possible for us to craft decent armors.
This means the one point that experimentation is the most important (protection and condition) would be mainly controlled by resources that come out of the grounds in millions. Using organics allows us to reinforce some interdependencies and not allow people to sit on massive multi million stockpiles of metals/ores.
I might have a solution for the hide issues, it involves more interdependency but if at all possible, it'll keep some of the hide prices down. What if we got the devs to give bioengineers and tailorssome devices much like the shipwright's reverse engineering tool, but works only on hides, has to be used by the appropriate profession like how only a shipwright can reverse engineer. You putmultiple different hidesin (being of the same type of course, bristley, wooly, etc), and itspits out hides that have the beststats of the hides used, but unlike RE'ing you put 50 naboo bristley and 50 lokian bristley you get 100 bristley back. It would make sense to give the hides to tailors as they could "interweave" (sound familiar?
Clearly the idea needs to be fleshed out some, but it would make more hide spawns usable, creating a constant level of demand rather than huge demand spikes when something good surfaces and not much interest the rest of the time.
Of course, this hinges upon the named hide issue going away
Message Edited by Rypht on 04-30-2005 01:04 AM
Message Edited by Rypht on 04-30-2005 01:06 AM
The Recyclers already exist in game...Unfortunately they spit out a flat 200 on each stat so you are talking about an upgraded recycler of some sort. I like the idea.
This is a good idea, but dont count on it. We all know SOE doesnt listen to good ideas. If they did, they wouldnt have the current dev team working for them.
Rypht wrote:
yea definitely an upgraded version of it, thats why I tied it in with specific professions, to "put it into the hands of experts" to make it more plausible. That and devs like interdependency
with the RIS/mandolorian armour when u break it down do you get ur adk back
ALSO WITH MANDOLORIAN ARMOUR I HAVE A QUESTION
with the schems u recieve ive been told u need an armoursmith to craft them, but
why does it have other proffessions listed like with the helm and pants?
Wallid wrote:
CaileSathinor wrote:
Hey, it's a start, in my opinion. Better than silence.
Yes, I agree, personaly I'm more amused at the fact that sence your became core we've seen more of Blixtev then normal.Cohenceadence, ~_-
Technicaly speaking Caile, and thanks for the effort, But we still got proverbal stone wall.
personaly I'd like to see him take a break from what he is doing, and make with the armor with the resources we have. He probalby has to a controled extent, But I question at our level. Lab rat wise, HIS system does work. Out in the field, It's like a rifle that keeps jamming up. even though it can shoot different types of bullets.On minium(sp) the resources NEED to be reduced, or a tad more accessable.We NEED that factory time.We NEED an armor stat system that is not confusing. I can't find that thread to the experimentation Okram did for protections, I am just going by the converted peices i have. I am then "trying" to explain it to my guild mates and customers. kin 1225 means not a heck alot much compared to kin 20%.I want to say Blixtev, No issues with you. I might have been gruff in the past, still am in a way. I know enough of system analyst, game design, and programming to understand where you guys are going and why, At the same time, rather confused because it seems things are just being slapped together and "here go with this cause we said so".
Stone wall you say? Sounds like I need to borrow some explosives from Nick (the Commando Corr) to make some progress.
CaileSathinor wrote:
Wallid wrote:
CaileSathinor wrote:
Hey, it's a start, in my opinion. Better than silence.
Yes, I agree, personaly I'm more amused at the fact that sence your became core we've seen more of Blixtev then normal.
Cohenceadence, ~_-
Technicaly speaking Caile, and thanks for the effort, But we still got proverbal stone wall.
personaly I'd like to see him take a break from what he is doing, and make with the armor with the resources we have. He probalby has to a controled extent, But I question at our level. Lab rat wise, HIS system does work. Out in the field, It's like a rifle that keeps jamming up. even though it can shoot different types of bullets.
On minium(sp) the resources NEED to be reduced, or a tad more accessable.
We NEED that factory time.
We NEED an armor stat system that is not confusing. I can't find that thread to the experimentation Okram did for protections, I am just going by the converted peices i have. I am then "trying" to explain it to my guild mates and customers. kin 1225 means not a heck alot much compared to kin 20%.
I want to say Blixtev, No issues with you. I might have been gruff in the past, still am in a way. I know enough of system analyst, game design, and programming to understand where you guys are going and why, At the same time, rather confused because it seems things are just being slapped together and "here go with this cause we said so".
Stone wall you say? Sounds like I need to borrow some explosives from Nick (the Commando Corr) to make some progress.
I LIKE IT. to bad your on another server and married :/ 
I got scouts testing the resources right now on Flurry for me. see how that goes.
"Just a little note for you complaining about how quickly PSGs die? post CU they last for bloody ever. I've been using mine in heavy combat with my alt toon and I've yet to burn it out. Mostly casue now the only thing that affects is are ranged energy attacks. But even when I'm taking alot of blaster fire (like the corvettes) it helps a little. and I could be up there all day long before it woudl burn out. Also imp PSGs now give skill mods. So I can see why they made it so that it's only a 5 use scehmatic. That all said....
Problem here is that Imp PSGs while a 'loot' are actually from a quest. Said quest you can only do twice. And you have to be imperial. If it was a loot schematic that actually dropped. That'd be a whole other ball game.
