Armorsmith Archive
Thread: So Long... and thanks for all the fish
MeciniaLua
Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:23 pm
#131
Okram2k wrote:
Well umm... as you all can see, I'm not blue anymore.
Not gonna make this long or anything, but hope someone else can step up and take my spot, and good luck to whoever it is, you're gonna need it. Armorsmithing in the TC is currently at an unacceptable spot, and don't try to kid yourself other wise. Whoever takes over this crazy place, and I'm sure someone will, needs to keep up the good fight for us.
I love this profession, and I loved the almost seven months that I've been the correspondant here for you guys. It was nice being here while I was.
Well uh... thanks for putting up with me, over looking my many typing and grammer mistakes, and all the great feedback you guys gave me. Take care everyone, I'll be around somewhere.
/salute Okram2k
You did the best you could 
. Your post shows your taste and though not an AS I appreciate the stand you tried to make for the game for us all.
I wish you the best in the future. Take care Okram2k
Doctor_Zaius
Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:26 pm
#132
hate to rub salt in the wound, but your butchering a good quote....
"So Long, and thanks for all the fish" would be more correct..
Adams is dead, the least you could do is quote him correctly =P
Bonestrand
Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:31 pm
#133
Baccarat wrote:
Okram2k and I have been friends for a long time now and I think he has been a fantastic correspondent. I am really sad that this happened, and I wanted to talk about some of the things I think he has done for the community.
- From the beginning, he has been an armorsmith that wasn't about being the top dog or server demi-god, but about caring about the issues that every armorsmith faces. For too many being correspondent is a status thing, and that was NEVER true for Okram.
- He has always had a great deal of knowledge about armorsmithing, but most importantly, he is willing to admit when he isn't the expert on X, Y, or Z. That to me is the key to being a leader, knowing when to seek the advice of others and knowing how to listen without telling others what to think. His receptiveness has made him a great spokesperson for us, because he doesn't come in with a personal agenda, but the agenda of the community.
- He genuinely loves armorsmithing and not because he wants to be rich and famous, but just cause he likes it, period. Running a business, acquiring rare resources, interacting with customers, these are the fun things for him.
- When armorsmithing was added to TC, he was a tireless leader in testing and understanding the new system. He invited everyone to join him and work as a team, to learn about the new system, and reply to the devs. He has always welcomed the participation of everyone, and has never had a personal agenda.
So when it became clear to Okram that the community was very concerned about alot of the changes, he went to bat for us. I can imagine that it is possible that he was overzealous about bringing the message to the devs, but I hope that the devs can forgive him that, after all he is just doing what he felt was best to inform them about our concerns. I don't believe that he had the intention of being hostile or bothersome, and if the devs felt he was being overzealous the right thing to do would have been to inform him that they had heard his concerns and needed time to process them.
I don't really know what happened, and I don't need to know, but I think that all this negativity is not good for us as a community and the burden is on the devs now to show that they do understand our concerns. If, even though he had to be fired, he helps us get the changes to the CU armorsmithing system that we badly need, he has done us a great service and I hope that everyone joins me in thanking him for everything he has done for us.
I think it would be great if the devs would grant him blue glowie status as a sign of respect for what he has done for the armorsmith community. I think that would go a long way to showing that there are no hard feelings and that we all have the same goals (a healthy community and a great game).
QFE
Keeper32
Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:50 pm
#134
One has to wonder how so many people who got their business and communications degrees from cereal boxes joined together in one place. It's uncanny. Must be a lunar thing.
/Salute Okram2k
I've not been checking these boards much untill recently when the Combat Downgradehit test, but I must say that you have been a great corrospondent. You took your community seriously. Something SoE apparently never learned to do when they fished their degrees out of the local muckpond.
You will go down in history as your boards Braveheart. Of this I am certain... of course, you just got fired... not killed. But that's probably a good thing...
/Deepbow
/Salute
blumpy
Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:51 pm
#135
Okram2k wrote:
Well umm... as you all can see, I'm not blue anymore.
Not gonna make this long or anything, but hope someone else can step up and take my spot, and good luck to whoever it is, you're gonna need it. Armorsmithing in the TC is currently at an unacceptable spot, and don't try to kid yourself other wise. Whoever takes over this crazy place, and I'm sure someone will, needs to keep up the good fight for us.
I love this profession, and I loved the almost seven months that I've been the correspondant here for you guys. It was nice being here while I was.
Well uh... thanks for putting up with me, over looking my many typing and grammer mistakes, and all the great feedback you guys gave me. Take care everyone, I'll be around somewhere.
/shakes head.
SOE doesn't comprehend what they just lost here in the AS forums.
See ya around on Tempest.
Okram2k
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:10 pm
#137
Doctor_Zaius wrote:hate to rub salt in the wound, but your butchering a good quote...."So Long, and thanks for all the fish" would be more correct..Adams is dead, the least you could do is quote him correctly =P
Fixed!
And thanks everyone for your encouragement, it is greatly appreciated.
TheFightingCorcoran
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:13 pm
#138
Message Edited by TheFightingCorcoran on 04-21-2005 07:09 PM
RedDestinyCC
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:13 pm
#139
As SOE has lost its credibility to provide leadership of the SWG project, the ambivilance is effecting the success of the game, because players are losing the desire to engage - and why not, all their work of the last two years and investment in SWG has been dismissed, destroyed, and trashed with the introduction of an all NEW SWG.
Keeper32 wrote:
One has to wonder how so many people who got their business and communications degrees from cereal boxes joined together in one place. It's uncanny. Must be a lunar thing.
/Salute Okram2k
I've not been checking these boards much untill recently when the Combat Downgradehit test, but I must say that you have been a great corrospondent. You took your community seriously. Something SoE apparently never learned to do when they fished their degrees out of the local muckpond.
You will go down in history as your boards Braveheart. Of this I am certain... of course, you just got fired... not killed. But that's probably a good thing...
/Deepbow
/Salute
So that ambivalence manifests itself into the decay of the game:
- Peeps are hostile and non-supportive to SOE's efforts
- SOE can no longer rally support by the community, they are disenfranchised
- Players no longer respect exploits ingame, and just do "whatever", because they dont care to whatever degrees if they are banned, the passion for the game is gone, the desire for it to succeed is greatly deminished
- Players no longer respect forum rules, because they don't care to whatever degrees if they are banned
- Players no longer behave in ways that support the game environment, the success and enjoyment of the game, and the game sours overall
- Players give lousy word-of-mouth, promoting the decay of the playerbase, rather than organic growth of the playerbase through positive word of mouth
We're on a downhill slide friends. And the only solution now is to say "NO CONFIDENCE" to the SOE team and LucasArts, by cancelling accounts.
TurboSith
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:14 pm
#140
Okram2k wrote:
Doctor_Zaius wrote:
hate to rub salt in the wound, but your butchering a good quote....
"So Long, and thanks for all the fish" would be more correct..
Adams is dead, the least you could do is quote him correctly =P
Fixed!
And thanks everyone for your encouragement, it is greatly appreciated.
this shows what kinda guy you are... im sure most others would have been so angry at being stripped of their position that they may have quit or at the very least not post for a while... yet post after post its constructive.. unless ive missed the nonconstructive ones =)
Skadoink
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:27 pm
#141
Doctor_Zaius wrote:
hate to rub salt in the wound, but your butchering a good quote....
"So Long, and thanks for all the fish" would be more correct..
Adams is dead, the least you could do is quote him correctly =P
Long live Arthur Dent.....
jbdotcom
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:29 pm
#142
Thanks for the efforts amigo, you will be missed.
It is nice to see the devs paying attention to the people they are supposed to listen to.
I seem to recall something about fiddling while Rome burned....
Pre-order cancelled.
JB
12 Point AS
Soon to be SWG memory
Phenix1050
Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:41 pm
#143
Okram--
Another Ranger here, ready to express my concern.
I'm not sure that what you did was the proper course of action, but the way they've been dealing with this community has been abysmal from the get-go. Armorsmiths have a lot of changes, most of them bad, so I can't say I'm surprised that it came to this to get their attention. I'm not condoning your actions, but it's impossible for me to condemn them, either.
I can, however, condemn the developers of this game for the way they are treating you. As far as I know, there is no specific clause that states a person can advocate for people to send questions to devs. Let's put it this way: I believe that had anybody else recomended this, there wouldn't have been any disiplinary action. Since there would be no consequence for a regular person, I think removing you from the corr program is a overly harshreaction.
However what truly disturbs me is that you were denied your blue glowy status. I've never played an AS but from the responce from the community here, it's clear that you were well liked amoung your fellow AS's. If I knew nothing else, I'd say that's enough to tell me that you deserve that blue glowy status. But I've also seen your posts on the Alpha forum and I can tell you that i know that most of the time you're well-spoken and in control of yourself. I really do respect you as a corr.
the problem here is that the developers are basically making the blue glowy status a personal issue. Tick them off, no blue glowy for you. They're acting childish. What truly makes a corr a good corr is how well they represent their community. I'd think anyone here would say that you've done that very well. To deny you blue glowy for one incident despite all your time serving your community seems little more that a personal attack. Like a kid with a toy that doesn't want to share, the devs are basically saying if you tick them off while a corr, you won't be honored by having a title that shows you're a former corr. It's not only an attack on this one action, but it's like saying they're denying your entire term. That's disrespectful and the blue glowy status shouldn't be based on the whim of anyone. Regardless of a single action, you should be honored for the time you did spend here.
and just so everyone knows, while Rangers may not support this one action, we do support the AS community and will support you when you argue against a lot of the issues that the CURB will bring.
Message Edited by Phenix1050 on 04-15-2005 02:43 AM