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Thread: Apology

Teeg
Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:06 pm
#1

Ok, I must apologize for my rant on the sunrunner board bashing the armorsmiths. I have taken a few min. to cool down. I was just extremely frustrated. Now could some armorsmiths from sunrunner explain why the lack of good wookiee armor? I was also wondering if maybe some armorsmiths from other servers could help the armorsmiths on sunrunner by giving them any info on how to make good wookiee armor. TY, and sorry again sunrunner armorsmiths.
DarthGoofyBunny
Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:05 pm
#2

I didn't see your earlier message, but that won't stop me from piping up. :-)

it's probably a lack of desire to make what you want rather than a lack of ability. It could also be the right resources just aren't available to smiths to make the higher end wookiee armor you're seeking. I'm highly skeptical your smiths don't know *how* to make good wookiee armor--the things that affect armor are fairly consistent among different armor types, composite being a slight exception. I suspect you mean well, but asking other smiths from other servers to help those on your server is kind of insulting to the people who make armor on your server.

Regardless, good luck finding what you need.



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Kiom
Thu Jun 03, 2004 10:56 pm
#3

Just curious, what is "good" wookiee armor?



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GrueLokk
Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:24 pm
#4

Just so you know wookie armor cant be layered. If it could you would see it on par with the ubese on the server, dont get made becuase the devs didnt allow a layer to be put in it. You should be thankful if its over 50% kinetic cause that means the AS actually hunted down decent resources to make the armor your so ungrateful for and so few actually buy. So in other words move along.



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Vileshrew
Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:11 am
#5

I have to confess that the best armour I have made for wookies is only 33% resistance. I just don't get enough call for it to take alot of my time gathering the resources to make better stuff.


I know that's a bit lazy but withoutthe demand I'd rather not use time travelling the galaxy for resources when I can be having fun playing the game in other ways. I think that if SOE made the armour layerable or improved the quality of the available resources everyone would be happy. To make amends I only charge 18k for a full suit of Kasshhyykk armour


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Andymantium
Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:07 am
#6






Teeg wrote:
Ok, I must apologize for my rant on the sunrunner board bashing the armorsmiths. I have taken a few min. to cool down. I was just extremely frustrated. Now could some armorsmiths from sunrunner explain why the lack of good wookiee armor? I was also wondering if maybe some armorsmiths from other servers could help the armorsmiths on sunrunner by giving them any info on how to make good wookiee armor. TY, and sorry again sunrunner armorsmiths.



I know *how* to make it, it's just not something I carry in my product line. There's an armor shop near Coronet that carries Wookiee armor. Go look.



K

Macoot
Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:18 am
#7

Ok first thing to point out is that I am on Infinity so I can't sell to you but that disapointment over with I'll give you my angle on this.


I do make Wookie armour and in effect make a loss on every set I sell......


Why? Because the same resources (good quality wooly) in Composite armour would sell for 200k more than I sell my wookie armour for.


Wookie armour takes2 to 3'difficult' resources. (I know there are lots of resources involved but any good armoursmith will have large stocks of all the rest). The difficult ones are the hide (horribly expensive and always in short supply) and the Endorian Deciduous wood. The latter =still= hasn't had a reasonable spawn since wookie armor came in (OQ and SR > 900).


The other issue is that our customers don't seem to want to pay top prices for it (generally dictated by the amount of rare hides I have to use).


The result is that most armoursmiths don't bother making it.


Ok - I do..... I just don't make much but what I do make is rather nice.....


(12 Point Armoursmith) - 55% Kinetic, 24% Effectivness. Who cares about the HAM - you are a Wookie (but it's bery reasonabe). - 80k a set


....and when that damm wood spawns with reasonable stats it will get better barh! grumble....



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Slider067
Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:37 am
#8

I think the SR is gated on the wood Askillian, but I'm sure you've noticed that hardwood is better than the soft stuff.


Like he said...resources. It takes quite a bit of animal harvests to make. Plus you need tialor stuff that they actually have to experiment on. It took me a couple of days to find a tailor that was willing to practice and get the hang of experimentation. Oh..and the tailor padded segments require hide as well.


Second...perceived value. I've heard people and wookies get all pissy about pricing. The resists suggest that the armor is on par with Chitin...and people think that should dictate the price. If I could get 200k for a suit, I'd keep the vendor stocked with it all the time. As it stands, I charge around 75k for 50% kinetic. There just isn't much incentive to make it.


Without regard to resource requirements, it's pretty easy to make. I haven't found many that care about the base. They usually want kinetic and then condition.


On a side note. Voritor scales, rancor hides (for condition) and kryat scales work very nicely in this armor.





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DirthNader
Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:45 am
#9

I skipped basketweaving IV, so I can't make wookiee armor...


Seriously though, blame the devs for the silly resource requirements, not the armorsmiths. It doesn't help either that you dump some great resources into it and the wookiees cry if you charge more than 50K a set. IMHO, the devs shot wookiee armor in one foot with the resources, and the wookiees shot it in the other foot by complaining about "high" prices.





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Ryche_Mykola
Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:39 am
#10






Teeg wrote:
Ok, I must apologize for my rant on the sunrunner board bashing the armorsmiths. I have taken a few min. to cool down. I was just extremely frustrated. Now could some armorsmiths from sunrunner explain why the lack of good wookiee armor? I was also wondering if maybe some armorsmiths from other servers could help the armorsmiths on sunrunner by giving them any info on how to make good wookiee armor. TY, and sorry again sunrunner armorsmiths.






Go pick up Armorsmith and see how difficult it is to make.


You need large quantities of Endorian Deciduous Wood and Yavinian Leathery Hide to make the segments. You need a Tailor to make the Armor Padding and Synthetic Cloth subcomponents for the armor.


You then need more Wood, leathery hide, and wooly hide to make the actual armor.


Also, like the other smiths said, it can't be layered. So I consider any Wookie armor above 50%kinetic to be excellent.


Since hides are so expensive, they are put to better use in Ubese and Composite.




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Teeg
Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:54 am
#11

Listen ladies, this was an apology. I don't need you guys gettin pissy and making wize ass comments. To the people that did respond w/ the reasons for wookiee armor not having higher stats or not being available, ty for your responses. BTW I was wondering if someone could tell me what are the resources that are the hardest to get for wookiee armor and what would be good stats on those resources b/c I will take it upon myself to attain these resources to give to an armorsmith to make my armor. And for the record, I have never complained about the price of wookiee armor so don't try to lay that one on me, I would pay ANY price for wookiee armor that is at least in 60% range, if it's possible to make it.
Slider067
Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:12 am
#12


I don't know if you can get 60%. I just got some new endorian wood, and haven't found out what it will hit. I'm guessing around 55%.


Here's a list for a complete set. (At least, I think a complete set. Been a while since I looked at my list.)


Armor:


110 - Wood

110 - Leather hide

110 - Wooley hide

55 - Copper

40 - Polymer

40 - Fiberplast

11 - segments (resources listed below)

5 - Padded segments (tailor)

4 - Syn cloth (tailor) (Used in most armor, so won't count much)


Advanced segment (each):


25 - Endorian Decidious wood (x11 = 275)

8 - Yavin Leather hide (x11 = 88)


Padded segment (tailor):


15 - hide (x5 = 75)

10 - wooley hide (x5 = 50)

5 - fiberplast (x5 = 25)



The main things that make this difficult is the Yavin leather and any of the wood. Mainly because there hasn't been that much time since it came out and they may not have spawned decent stats.

Message Edited by Slider067 on 06-04-2004 02:14 PM



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theonebountyhunter
Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:36 pm
#13

i can currently make 54% kinetic 24% base kashyyykian.

I've still not figured out how the armor resists are calculated for the kashyyykian.

Takes twice as many points to raise the base up significantly.

If I max out the base it ends up around 33-35% base and 30-33%ish kinetic.

My guild mates got me almost 90k of some decent yavin leather. it was like 900oq 377sr, I believe, from memory.

wood 819oq 672sr
hide 933oq 377sr

the rest of the resources are some of the best. but b/c of these both being low even if I use better resources in the final combine the stats come out the same



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