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Thread: Once again the real 101 of mastering armorsmith

Nichrf36
Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:33 pm
#1



This is a breakdown of the guide written by "our correspondent." In no way is this meant as a flame, troll, or any other aspect against the SOE Forum Guidelines. This is simply the reality of mastering armorsmith and becoming a succesful one.


But I do find a big lack of support from older armor smiths to the newer armor smiths on how to run a successful armor business.


I am an "older smith" and when we do give our support it is met with flames by the correspondent then a post deletions! I am only telling what happened here.


This guide first assumes that you have managed to make your way to master armor smith, there’s plenty of guides for how to grind to master, and how to go about it learning the tricks of making good armor. So let’s skip that, and get into the first steps.


What has our correspondent done to address this? Why do I have to be a master armorsmith to make any worthwhile armor?


What you will need to start:


-A large number of Mineral Mines
-A couple Chemical Extractors
-Some place to store all your resources, components, and everything in general
-Wearables factories, the busier you get, the more you’ll need.


So how do you get all the lots for these? Cross server trades?


As your resource hoarding begins, you want to have a well organized place to store resources. Nothing is worse then not being able to find your big stack of awesome Naboo fiberplast when you’ve got a big order of composite to fill. My system works very well for me; I have a small generic house with backpacks in it with backpacks marked for easy identification of what resource is where. One for aluminum, steel, iron, fiberplast, petrochem, hide, ect. Every day I collect resources from my harvesters, and put them strait into the correct backpack, this keeps me organized, efficient, and after I started getting really busy, it helped me keep up with the increasing strain on my business.


Im not sure I know of any smith or crafter for that matter, that can hold all their resources in a small house. Why not tell the truth here - we need storage and lots of it. Comes down to storing in factories. Very unfortunate. However, the truth.


So now, you have customers coming to your shop on a regular basis, the untold riches of being one of the most lucrative professions in the game is starting to pour in. Time you’ve taken to prepare for becoming bigger have paid off, and you’re managing to stay organized even though selling large quantities of armor at a time. What do you do now?


I wish this was the case. Unfortunately, 90% of the people who start armorsmith will not make it.


Like I said, I was a very successful armorsmith. I was fortunate to get started at the perfect time so a lot of luck was involved.It was a lot of fun.


I wish I could say the same to the 90% of the other players who tried. They simply can't compete with the 12 pointers. I am advocating for these people and I find that my posts are being deleted here left and right.


Sorry guys and gals.





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Okram2k
Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:51 pm
#2

Well first of all, said guide was written six months ago, when I actually was new to mastering armorsmith, second of all you are intentionally trying to get me upset so you can further claim that I am not worthy of being the correspondant. Third you are upset because you came in all high and mighty as the best of the best and we didn't welcome you with open arms, and many of us do not like people who use dirty buisness practicess to get ahead. And yes, calling for me to step down, claiming that I am not a good correspondant, and continuing to reply to many threads in an effort to make me angry enough to drop to a low enough level to flame you is an act of harassment. I ask you now, right here and now, to stop it, calm down, and act like a calm, normal thinking human being, and stop it. If you insist on this "coo" you are trying to do to over throw me because you don't like the fact that people here don't like you, then I will have to give you more reason to be angry, which I don't want to do. I really hate it when people get mad, especially at me.




Nichrf36 wrote:



This is a breakdown of the guide written by "our correspondent." In no way is this meant as a flame, troll, or any other aspect against the SOE Forum Guidelines. This is simply the reality of mastering armorsmith and becoming a succesful one.


No but you sure are doing the best you can to make me mad so you can try to get me canned. All because people don't like you're "I'm a billionaire, look at me!" attitude.


But I do find a big lack of support from older armor smiths to the newer armor smiths on how to run a successful armor business.


I am an "older smith" and when we do give our support it is met with flames by the correspondent then a post deletions! I am only telling what happened here.


This guide first assumes that you have managed to make your way to master armor smith, there’s plenty of guides for how to grind to master, and how to go about it learning the tricks of making good armor. So let’s skip that, and get into the first steps.


What has our correspondent done to address this? Why do I have to be a master armorsmith to make any worthwhile armor?


This issue is being addressed in the combat upgrade, so it is being fixed, and will be addressed. Once again you try to undermine my value and try to get me upset and give people more reason to get me removed as the correspondant, mainly because you are still upset.


What you will need to start:


-A large number of Mineral Mines
-A couple Chemical Extractors
-Some place to store all your resources, components, and everything in general
-Wearables factories, the busier you get, the more you’ll need.


So how do you get all the lots for these? Cross server trades?


Well I suppose if you need to. Or you can ask a guild for help, or you can just us a few at a time when you need them. Or you can use your imagination.


As your resource hoarding begins, you want to have a well organized place to store resources. Nothing is worse then not being able to find your big stack of awesome Naboo fiberplast when you’ve got a big order of composite to fill. My system works very well for me; I have a small generic house with backpacks in it with backpacks marked for easy identification of what resource is where. One for aluminum, steel, iron, fiberplast, petrochem, hide, ect. Every day I collect resources from my harvesters, and put them strait into the correct backpack, this keeps me organized, efficient, and after I started getting really busy, it helped me keep up with the increasing strain on my business.


Im not sure I know of any smith or crafter for that matter, that can hold all their resources in a small house. Why not tell the truth here - we need storage and lots of it. Comes down to storing in factories. Very unfortunate. However, the truth.


I guess you do, I don't I continue to be able to store all my resources in small housese. I have a couple more now thanks to the help of a few guild members. Over the last six months however I have learned it's best to keep finished factory crates in the finished hopper of the factories until you are ready to use them.


So now, you have customers coming to your shop on a regular basis, the untold riches of being one of the most lucrative professions in the game is starting to pour in. Time you’ve taken to prepare for becoming bigger have paid off, and you’re managing to stay organized even though selling large quantities of armor at a time. What do you do now?


I wish this was the case. Unfortunately, 90% of the people who start armorsmith will not make it.


Like I said, I was a very successful armorsmith. I was fortunate to get started at the perfect time so a lot of luck was involved.It was a lot of fun.


I wish I could say the same to the 90% of the other players who tried. They simply can't compete with the 12 pointers. I am advocating for these people and I find that my posts are being deleted here left and right.


Sorry guys and gals.


Well that's because 90% of the armorsmiths don't have the motivation. But if you are motivated and you do work hard at it, you can succede. Yes, you can compete with 12 pointers, but you have to know how. Of course it's nice and cushy once you get set up and get yourself established. I had more fun squeezing my way into the armorsmtih market of an already well established economy then anything else I have done in this game, I have also learned a lot over the last 6 months since I have written this guide, as I will still pretty new at the time, but saying that just because you have 12 points you can't make armor is like saying just because you don't have a jedi means you can't hunt on dathomir.








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ZionHalcyon
Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:30 pm
#3

I do remember that post, although it seemed to me he strung you guys out long enough before finally divulging.


Anyway, I can respect the accomplishment and the sharing of information, but ultimately, you do have to say enough is enough, regardless of someone's prior accomplishments.



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Nichrf36
Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:43 pm
#4






ZionHalcyon wrote:

I do remember that post, although it seemed to me he strung you guys out long enough before finally divulging.





Actually I was trying to get confirmation it wasnt a bug befre telling how we did it.




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Baccarat
Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:55 pm
#5

I think it's fantastic that Oa'kron isn't a 12 pt smith. It would be easy to see some big shot smith using correspondent as a "feather in the cap" sort of thing. Oa'kron has the exact opposite take on this. For some 12 point smiths, this forum is a place to show off or complain about xyz. But the newer smiths need ideas about making it as an armorsmith, and questions answered etc. I would rather see the focus on the people who need it most.


As far as new armorsmiths go... I definitely think there are lots of ways to go forward. Cheap 80% kinetic composite will always sell. A fantastic idea is custom padded armor. Sure it's a nuisance, but that's why it's an untapped market. And since alot of people want it for show you don't need uber resources. Or pick some other random specialization. Make 80% blast armor for c12 villlage grinders. There are tons of way to make it, I think, but you have to be creative.



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Lethalman
Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:22 pm
#6

Why does this matter. Will the guide not be updated? Can you not simply request a piece to be inserted explaining how to get Master Armorsmith?

Message Edited by Lethalman on 12-03-2004 08:31 PM



Zuka 'Zamamee
Baccarat
Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:36 am
#7






Lethalman wrote:
Why does this matter. Will the guide not be updated? Can you not simply request a piece to be inserted explaining how to get Master Armorsmith?

Message Edited by Lethalman on 12-03-2004 08:31 PM





Write one up then



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Nichrf36
Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:05 am
#8





Okram2k wrote: Third you are upset because you came in all high and mighty as the best of the best and we didn't welcome you with open arms, and many of us do not like people who use dirty buisness practicess to get ahead.



Did not welcome me with open arms ehh? Ive been posting here since launch. If someone doesnt like me then fine but I only give the truth here. As for dirty business practices? I was a master smuggler/master as. I played the game. I bought things on other vendors priced low, and resold them for a profit. What is so wrong with that?






Okram2k wrote: And yes, calling for me to step down, claiming that I am not a good correspondant, and continuing to reply to many threads in an effort to make me angry enough to drop to a low enough level to flame you is an act of harassment.



I replied to one thread of yours in all the time you have been a correspondent. In that thread I offered constructive feedback on your way to "master armorsmith". Werent you the first one to post on my how to make a billion thread with a flame accusing me of duping? How nice for a correspondent.


I did call for you to step down beacuse I do not feel you represent us as players. This is not in anyway a form of harrasment but I had the guts to say what is said. It is funny that before the post was deleted it had a 5 star rating with 7 votes?





Okram2k wrote: I really hate it when people get mad, especially at me.



Im not angry at anyone. I am a payingplayer and the correspondent, correct me if I am wrong, is the liason between SWG and the players. I am sorry to say based on what I have seen him post I firmly believe he does not represent many of us.


Why not let the players decide? Im sure this post will be deleted, although I have not in anyway here violated the SOE Forum Policy.


All I ask is let the people make the choice.





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WolfGuy
Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:24 am
#9

Play nice kids.




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Okram2k
Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:25 am
#10

alright so to make sure I got it strait...


you are posting here today for the sole purpous to get me replaced with someone more worthy of being the correspondant because I'm not a billionaire, and haven't gotten my 12 point suit yet? And you think that the average armorsmith has a billion credits and makes perfect armor on a regular basis? And you are continuing to try to bait me into fighting with you so you can try to prove how much better you are then me over and over?


Unfortanetly, the average armorsmith does not even make 1/10th of what you make, In most servers would consider 100 million credits (1/10th of your goal) a unfathomable amount for any except someone who is well... up there.


I suppose this thread will probably be deleted, but I haven't asked it to be.


And I never claimed you where a duper, someone else in the thread did, but I didn't. You made a billion credits, that's a hell of a lot of money, yay for you. now can you drop it and let us move on or do you continue to want to try to continually provoke me?



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omakr3w
Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:29 am
#11

sorry rocky i can't agree with you. it seems that you're jealous of him for getting the correspondence position. the only thing you're trying to do is play a popularity game in the forums. there is no need for such arrogance in these forums. it only goes to show that they were correct when they did not select you for the position. i think he's doing a fine job of conveying our needs and wants to the devs.



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darthbock
Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:32 am
#12

It seems to me that mastering a profession should be entirely about your personal goals. There are some who do not care about making a tone of e-money and others that "suffer" the profession just to become armor-barons on their server. Then there is the spectrum inbetween.


Personally, even though I wanted to make some cash,I cared much more about only making the best armor availble. So, although i rarely did final piece factory runs, I ended up with what I consider a nice chunk of change but also a reputation for making the finest of several armor types on my server. I am very pleased with this and have essentially retired, feeling I have "mastered" the profession. Others might think that I am still a novice for stubbornly hand-crafting 90% of my pieces. I also know smiths who do factory runs all day long and stock their vendors with thousands of pieces of armor. It is simply a different approach in my mind. I'd rather tinker and squeeze out the extra 1-2% and make a variety of armor types than just mass-produce stun and grinding composite. I am not dispariging anyone who does this, if that is your goal in smithing, great - go dominate the stun armor market and be a mogul.


This business of who is right or wrong is rather silly. The individuals reading the posts are the ones who know what their goals are, and they are the ones who get to decide if the advice that others take the time to post is valid for their situation. Their is no one right way to "master" armorsmith. The onlythingbickery does is make our community look childish.



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Blimigerite
Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:34 am
#13



I think you are both going out of your way to make each other angrier.


Rocky, leave Okram's post alone and just write what works for you and how you run your armorsmith. Okram, don't start the flames to a post saying you are glad not all armorsmiths are out to become billionaires. It is not a correspondents place to slam how another player plays the game.


The #1 purpose of what the Armorsmith forum should be for is to spread knowledge and techniques. You don't need to agree with any techniques orthe application of the knowledge a smith has aquired from experiences, but at least respect your fellow players.



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