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its prolly overkill, the armor caps at 6k/6k/6k for battle, i hit the cap with 940 segments... but you might be able to save some of your good resources in making the cores.

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jobothehobbit wrote:

Well That Blows, I am using quad primus on these puppies. Been holding out for teh best resources (mainly able to do this because of teh lack of teh vintrium), and now have these sweet runs going. They report teh other stats as being weaker, do you remember what you ussed to get 940 and also if you used teh primus were teh other stats higher also?

Joe

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I am using quad primus on these puppies.
wheeeee

I really hope you don't think "the" is actually spelt "teh", you fail at spelling, and as it happens armoursmithing.

Yes I'm in a bad mood as all the orange padded came out of the crate any damn colour it liked tonight. I junked the lot.

Message Edited by Carthax on 07-07-2005 05:18 AM

Message Edited by jobothehobbit on 07-07-2005 08:47 AM

If you were using quad primus layers, what were the stats on the layers?

My unlayered battle segments are 951 for all stats

My quad primus battle segments are 1133 for energy and kinetic

/pat jobo

For Quad Segs 999 is pretty low, they should give you around 6100kin/energy with low sp stats - You need to try and get 940 like posted before on no layer to max no layer cores at 6k overall. Most are finding out layered armor isnot economical to make - If I cannot get the perfect 6k no layer stat, I will usually add one layer to a set of segs, using 2 no layer and 1 layered - that gives me a few points over 6k with lowering the sp very little - Its strange how many people dont investigate on how armor numbers relate to %. All they care about is the higher numbers not realizing what little % difference is involved. In my opinion its better to make a bit lower no layer stat, lower the price by 25k or so and sell more, rather then wasting money and time on quad - once you are decently stocked then add some quad with a price increase to make up for the resources used for all the layers. Just my thoughts

Pretty bad, with the exception of one resource the rest are 890-990 range on stats. I guess I'll hold out making any more until I get my last resource in th green. Thanks for the information.

Joe

Joe,

I posted in a earlier thread and explained the segment/core maths for unlayered stuff. I'll take the time to explain layer/segment maths for you now if that's helpful to you.

All basic layers, kinetic,erngy, heat etc can add a maximum of 100 per layer to their nominated protectionto the segment and will deduct 100+1 from their opposite resist.

All advanced layers, primus etc can add a maximum of 50 per layer to their nominated protection and deduct 50+1 from their opposite resist.

For example a good energy layer might be +95 energy and -96 kinetic and a good primus layer might be +45 energy/kinetic and -46 elemental (sometimes referred to as base)

To work out what will happen when you add these layers to your segment you need to know what the unlayered stats of your finished segment are and then add/subtract the layer numbers depending on the number of layers you choose to add, very simple maths really once you know whats going on.

For example, say I can make an unlayered recon segment with 950 protection. If I add 4 of my energy layers above to this I would get the following results,

energy would be 95 x 4 = 380 (layer contribution) + 950 (segment) = 1330

kinetic would be -96 X 4 = -384 (layer contribution) + 950 (segment) = 566

elemental would remain unchanged at 950.

If I added 4 of my primus layers above to this segment instead I would get the following

energy would be 45 x 4 = 180 (layer) + 950 (seg) = 1130

kinetic would be 45 x 4 = 180 (layer) + 950 (seg) = 1130

elemental base would be -46x4 = -184 + 950 = 766

In terms of caps, an unlayered segment maximum is 1000 with perfect resources, applying the layer maximums or 100 and 50 then a primus layered segment would have a maximum of 1200 energy and kinetic with perfect resources and an energy segment would have a maximum of 1400 energy with perfect resources.

I listed the segment, core and final combine math in the earlier thread, but here is it briefly for completeness,

segs add max of 1000, 3 segments per advanced core for 3000 maximum, core itself can add 3000 maximum and final combine will add 400 everytime. Elemental cap is 6000, so anything over 5600 elemental on an unlayered core is waste of good resources.

From the above you will get the following layered caps for final assembly on common layered armor builds

energy layered recon 8200E 3800K 6000B

primus layered battle 6600E 6600K 5400B

Kreen

Message Edited by WittyNewt on 07-07-2005 09:07 PM

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Carthax wrote:

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jobothehobbit wrote:

Well That Blows, I am using quad primus on these puppies. Been holding out for teh best resources (mainly able to do this because of teh lack of teh vintrium), and now have these sweet runs going. They report teh other stats as being weaker, do you remember what you ussed to get 940 and also if you used teh primus were teh other stats higher also?

Joe

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I am using quad primus on these puppies.
wheeeee

I really hope you don't think "the" is actually spelt "teh", you fail at spelling, and as it happens armoursmithing.

Yes I'm in a bad mood as all the orange padded came out of the crate any damn colour it liked tonight. I junked the lot.

Message Edited by Carthax on 07-07-2005 05:18 AM

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*poke* Be nice you.

gotta have last poke...


Spelt = a past tense and a past participle of spell

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Carthax wrote:
gotta have last poke...


Spelt = a past tense and a past participle of spell

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I'm watching you bub!