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Thread: Armor hole.....

Ellerpait
Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:36 am
#1

Ok. I have never understod this.


If I have cyber arms, what will the "hole" be?


Also, if I have Mabari Chest, Mabari Pants and an Ubese Helm...will this be a "holey" set? Thanks for the knowledge....



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darthbock
Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:09 am
#2

The hole will be your arms (left and right bicep and bracer slots), assuming you are wearing a helm, chest plate, and leggings. There is one cyber arm that acts like armor with 6000 resists across the board (the melee one), but the rest act as zero armor.


The mabari jacket covers the chest and all four arm slots (and uses the corresponding number of resources).However, you cannot wear it (or the ubese jacket) with a cyborg arm installed.


Having no armor protection in the area where you have cybernetics is the offsetting penalty to whatever benefits they provide.





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Ellerpait
Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:49 am
#3

So the mabari chest, pants and ubese helm is hole free then. And thanks






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Duexfuse
Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:24 pm
#4

But what if you are a tkm? cyber arms wouldn't cause a hole then?







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darthbock
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:00 pm
#5






Duexfuse wrote:

But what if you are a tkm? cyber arms wouldn't cause a hole then?







I haven't read any tests with an armorless TKM using a cyber arm, so I'm not sure.



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Ellerpait
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:05 pm
#6

One more quick "Hole" question.......


Lets say I do have 2 cyber arms. How is that equated to the damage I take. I have never understood how that works. Basically, I'm wondering if missing the protection on my arms is worth having the beifits of thse cyber arms. And this is for ranged.... Thanks much





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LeviticusD
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:09 pm
#7



Edit: woops, didn't mean to post. Since I made this post, all I can say is that there was a post back in the day that listed the % of each place getting hit...I'll see if I can dig it up. If I remember right, 1/3 of the hits go to the chest and arms....this is then split 1/2 to the chest and 1/2 to the arms, so two cyber arms will let you get hit for full damage around 15% of the time unless I'm mistaken.

Message Edited by LeviticusD on 09-12-2005 03:12 PM

Message Edited by LeviticusD on 09-12-2005 03:12 PM




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darthbock
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:15 pm
#8

OK, there are seven armor pieces that provide protection. When a hit comes in, it has a 1 in 3 chance of hitting either the head, legs or torso. If it hits the head, the helm is used. If it hits the legs, the leggings are used. If it hits the torso, there is another check to see if it hits the chest, l bracer, l shoulder, r bracer, or r shoulder (i am not sure if the second check is an even 1 in 5 for determining where the hit goes, but I am treating it as so for simplicity). So, basically, you have a 1/15 (1/3 * 1/5) chance of being hit in one of your arm pieces. Since you have 4 arm pieces, you have a 4/15 chance of being hit in any of your arm pieces. When you have a cyber arm equipped, the slots for that arm (bicep and forearm) act as holes. So, if you have 1 arm equipped, you ahve a 2/15 chance (no bicep or forearm present on one side)of taking full damage. If youhave two arms equipped, you have a 4/15 chance (no bicep or forearm present on either side) of taking full damage. This all assumes you have armor on the non-cyborg parts of your body.



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RPMayhem
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:15 pm
#9

Ok, I'm not sure if this will answer all your question, but feel free to ask more if I miss something.

Basically, when you get hit, the damage is taken by a certain part of your body. Sometimes it's your head, other times it could be your legs, and then the next time it just might be your forearm (bracer). The most common areas are the legs, chest, and head. With cybernetics, if you happen to get hit on the arms, you'll take full damage (well, after calculating your melee/range defenses first of course). So it's possible to take some heavy damage that way.

Now, I have a friend with 2 cyberarms that work together to give him a rifle range of 82 meters. For him, it's worth the loss of protection on the arms to have that (I would agree!). I think it really comes down to your personal preferance and playstyle. If it helps any, I know he can solo lvl 84-85 creatures with his template and the arms, so it can't be that huge of a differnce (he has come CM though too I think).



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Ellerpait
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:19 pm
#10

Ok, so basically it is random then. I would have a 1 in 3 chance of getting hit in the chest/arms.


Now lol....I can you you say "oh great".....Would a "body shot" from a pistoleer shot strictly hit the body then? Or is it still random. thanks again. I at least understand this stuff better.....





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LeviticusD
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:24 pm
#11






Ellerpait wrote:

Ok, so basically it is random then. I would have a 1 in 3 chance of getting hit in the chest/arms.


Now lol....I can you you say "oh great".....Would a "body shot" from a pistoleer shot strictly hit the body then? Or is it still random. thanks again. I at least understand this stuff better.....






No, it doesn't. That I do know. Body shot used to target a specific area pre-cu, but post cu, it just gives a damage multiplier andhits a random spot.





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darthbock
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:27 pm
#12



The CU mucked up a lot of the location-specific shots. Eyeshot is a good example. Pre CU, it always hit the head (as one might expect since there are eyes up there), but now it is purely random.


If I were you, I'd do a test with a buddy and pop20 or 30body shots and see where they land. An easy way to see if they stay on the body (torso+arms) would be to only wear a chest and arm pieces. That way, any shots that hit the legs or head would not have their damage reduced.


In case you were unaware, there is a detailed message option in your combat log setup that will allow you too which shots are affected by armor - the data given is the initial shot damage and the amount of that blocked by the armor.


If you do test it, please post back here



edit: Looks like the leezard has tested bodyshot already. I personally have done eyeshot, and if neither are location-specific anymore, I'd wager that no attacks are.

Message Edited by darthbock on 09-12-2005 02:28 PM



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Ellerpait
Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:32 pm
#13

You guys are awesome. Thanks much



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