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Thread: Qustion about stun for a AS's first try at stun armor

ToughGy
Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:02 pm
#1

I've been seeing so much about people saying that it is dumb to waste so much on stun...

why is it better to have like 10-15% stun than it is to have 30% stun? i've seen so many quality AS say this but i don't understand the logic behind it



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justapilgrim
Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:04 pm
#2

a 10% stun reduces the damage by 60% (50+10), as apposed to a 80% reduction (50+30).


most stun damage can be absorbed by a psg as well.


So... get a high stun helmet and low stun high base everything else.


my new armor is 16% stun 69% base



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ChryssSR
Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:30 pm
#3






justapilgrim wrote:

a 10% stun reduces the damage by 60% (50+10), as apposed to a 80% reduction (50+30).


most stun damage can be absorbed by a psg as well.


So... get a high stun helmet and low stun high base everything else.


my new armor is 16% stun 69% base





Actually, the way the game calculates damage, with 10% stun vs. an AP0 weapon, it would be more like a 55% damage reduction and a 65% reduction with a 30% stun resist. The game first assigns the AR1 vs. AP0, 50% damage reduction and then applies the amount absorbed by the resists to the remaining damage.




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justapilgrim
Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:48 pm
#4


either way, it isnt a huge difference


espicially in pvp, with a psg, and reductions for pvp it is like taking7 damage instead of 9

Message Edited by justapilgrim on 09-04-2004 06:50 AM



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ChryssSR
Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:50 pm
#5

I know, just correcting you on how the game calculates the damage reduction from resists.



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justapilgrim
Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:36 am
#6






justapilgrim wrote:

does have a resist reduce it by 50% YES

does an additional 10% stun reduce it again YES


I did not mention how much damage actually got through


I also said that a psg would take most of it, I didnt post stats of psg or resists


We can turn this into a AP1 AP0 discussion or psg damage reduction, but that wasnt my point


I didnt post those numbers to be exact or end all, but in a way a newer smith could understand them





yea I put exact numbers, I gave a generic answer.


my numbers were off by a few % IF THE POSTER WANTED A BREAKDOWN ON AP1 vs AP0


he wants to know why people bother with 12-15% stun armor as opposed to 37+% armor


you are picking a fight


yes I posted exact numbers, but I didnt say they were the exact way damage would be taken



EXACT NUMBERS CAN BE FOUND HERE (since I never said that these were exact damages taked or resisted)


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=armorsmith&message.id=61579


Message Edited by justapilgrim on 09-04-2004 04:38 AM



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ChryssSR
Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:54 am
#7






justapilgrim wrote:






justapilgrim wrote:

does have a resist reduce it by 50% YES

does an additional 10% stun reduce it again YES


I did not mention how much damage actually got through


I also said that a psg would take most of it, I didnt post stats of psg or resists


We can turn this into a AP1 AP0 discussion or psg damage reduction, but that wasnt my point


I didnt post those numbers to be exact or end all, but in a way a newer smith could understand them





yea I put exact numbers, I gave a generic answer.


my numbers were off by a few % IF THE POSTER WANTED A BREAKDOWN ON AP1 vs AP0


he wants to know why people bother with 12-15% stun armor as opposed to 37+% armor


you are picking a fight


yes I posted exact numbers, but I didnt say they were the exact way damage would be taken



EXACT NUMBERS CAN BE FOUND HERE (since I never said that these were exact damages taked or resisted)


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=armorsmith&message.id=61579



Message Edited by justapilgrim on 09-04-2004 04:38 AM




You're the one getting all grouchy. And to understand WHY you would want/not want high/low stun you need to understand the AP vs. AR system. You tried to explain that and you were off in your numbers, I corrected you and you had a hissy fit.


Go have a drinkor something, sheesh.





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utfti
Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:18 am
#8

25% stun 71% base pwons u



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justapilgrim
Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:17 pm
#9

does have a resist reduce it by 50% YES

does an additional 10% stun reduce it again YES


I did not mention how much damage actually got through


I also said that a psg would take most of it, I didnt post stats of psg or resists


We can turn this into a AP1 AP0 discussion or psg damage reduction, but that wasnt my point


I didnt post those numbers to be exact or end all, but in a way a newer smith could understand them



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ChryssSR
Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:31 pm
#10






justapilgrim wrote:

does have a resist reduce it by 50% YES

does an additional 10% stun reduce it again YES


I did not mention how much damage actually got through


I also said that a psg would take most of it, I didnt post stats of psg or resists


We can turn this into a AP1 AP0 discussion or psg damage reduction, but that wasnt my point


I didnt post those numbers to be exact or end all, but in a way a newer smith could understand them





Wrong is still wrong.If you are going to explain something to a new smith, it's better to explain"in detail"so that they can have all the tools to formulate their own opinion.


Also, the points on AP0/AP1 vs AR1, target specific protection, and PSG's do apply to the argument for and against low vs. high stun resists. If the original poster wants to read a debate on these things he should read the thread that was someone posted on thier pefect pvp armor (too lazy to post the link).


Oh, and you did post "exact" numbers.


Message Edited by ChryssSR on 09-04-2004 12:33 AM



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Shambler9
Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:46 am
#11










I think the heart of the matter is that, yes, more stun is better -for stun resist- however the more stun resist you pile into your armor the lower your base and higher your HAM is sure to be - for most anyway.
seems to me If you compare the practical benefit of high stun (30 -40%) against low stun(4%-11%), and the benefit of high base (62%-71%) against lower base (53%-61%), one would see that sacrificing several resists for one stun resist makes little sense considering the miniscule and largely undetectable benefit higher stun resists provide opposed to low stun resists.
High stun helmets on the other hand are one area where high stun can be a real benefit due to the specials from those who use stun weapons.

justapilgrim
Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:17 pm
#12






Shambler9 wrote:










I think the heart of the matter is that, yes, more stun is better -for stun resist- however the more stun resist you pile into your armor the lower your base and higher your HAM is sure to be - for most anyway.
seems to me If you compare the practical benefit of high stun (30 -40%) against low stun(4%-11%), and the benefit of high base (62%-71%) against lower base (53%-61%), one would see that sacrificing several resists for one stun resist makes little sense considering the miniscule and largely undetectable benefit higher stun resists provide opposed to low stun resists.
High stun helmets on the other hand are one area where high stun can be a real benefit due to the specials from those who use stun weapons.





that was the point I was trying to make




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destrkta
Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:33 pm
#13

skinny copying my line of armour almost to a tee though with your experimentation points probably get your a bit lighter.




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