Architect Archive
Thread: Pushing Architect Prices
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moody628
Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:05 pm
#1
Well, I guess I'm sort of offering this as a challenge for all architects.
[You may recall my earlier threads about 'Underpricing Archs'?]
So, to that end, I'm finally opening up a small shop [Purgatory, Tatooine - Valcyn] for architect items. I'm not going to carry harvesters... that is for braver souls than mine. I'm just going to do houses and furniture... maybe a few factories as a lark.
What I AM going to try to do is to try to inflate the architect pricing structure to something closer to a healthy level. Technically, I'll still be at subsistance levels, but I want to encourage ALL ARCHITECTS to follow suit.
The COST of most small houses is 10.2k to manufacture (paying bottom-end prices for the resources). It ought to sell retail at 51k (not the 6k or 7k it's bottomed out to on most servers... I can't believe we're paying other players to take the house!). I realize that it's unlikely to push the price to where it should be, after the damage we've done by undercutting ourselves until our jugulars are dry... but I'm hoping to move the price to at least a minimal return instead of pure outflow.
MY NEW PRICE FOR ALL SMALL HOUSES IS 20K, except for Style 2 generics. They actually have an even higher cost, so they'll be 22k.
I challenge all other architects to increase their prices accordingly.
moody628
Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:54 pm
#2
Of course, I doubt I'll get much response... as it was archs themselves that created the situation. <wink>
ZenDragonMLS
Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:53 pm
#4
It's an interesting experiment. I suspect you are spitting into the wind unless you clearly offer something else of value (full vendors, delivery service, etc).
KRONOS1974
Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:11 pm
#5
I suspect you are spitting into the wind unless you clearly offer something else of value (full vendors, delivery service, etc).
Bah i stock 1200 harvesters and another 500 city structures/factories, would deliver as well. But who wants to buy harvesters at 110-140k for heavieswhen someone will sell them for 70-90k.
In real life would you buy a 50 dollar pizza or a 10 dollar pizza with same ingredients? Its more logical to go the cheaper route to have more money. Though it hurts us, its no shocker to me to see this.
Dvnce
Sat Jun 19, 2004 8:04 pm
#6
KRONOS1974 wrote:
I suspect you are spitting into the wind unless you clearly offer something else of value (full vendors, delivery service, etc).
Bah i stock 1200 harvesters and another 500 city structures/factories, would deliver as well. But who wants to buy harvesters at 110-140k for heavieswhen someone will sell them for 70-90k.
In real life would you buy a 50 dollar pizza or a 10 dollar pizza with same ingredients? Its more logical to go the cheaper route to have more money. Though it hurts us, its no shocker to me to see this.
hmm.. i stocked 1300 harvesters in the 178k range.. they are almost all gone.. and I know that there are peeps that sell for 120k on my server..
BoberFett
Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:16 pm
#7
I sold out of well over 300 heavies in about a month at 140K and up. Forget the guy selling for 70K. He's going to have fairly low production numbers and have trouble keeping up with demand, and will burn himself out quickly. Those people also rarely keep things in stock, it's always built to order so people can't just get their harvs on a whim.
Irer
Sat Jun 19, 2004 9:47 pm
#8
Hey all,
I have not posted in here often but I have had alot of success as an architect on the Tarq server. Currently I have 60mil credits and if i was not supporting 4 rebel detachment HQ's and turrets I would have well over 100mil.
My current prices are as follows.
All Houses-12k/70k/140k
All PA Halls- 400k
All Factories- 50k
Med Mineral and Water Harvs(Rate 10)- 30k
Med Chem, Flora, and Gas(Rate 10)- 40k
All Large Harv's(Rate 13)and Fusions(Rate 14)- 175k
With these prices I have about 10mil in sales each week and struggle to keep up with my demand for ore. Whenever things start getting slow i either set myself on macro in coronet with my WP and info or hire a Merchant to setup a Droid for me.
Just my 2credits,
Pawlin
Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:12 am
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KRONOS1974 wrote:
...
In real life would you buy a 50 dollar pizza or a 10 dollar pizza with same ingredients? ...
I think the more apt analogy is:
Would you buy a $20 pizza that you could pick up in15 minutes or would you buy a $10 pizza that you had to drive across town to get and would take them 2.5 hours to make?
And when deciding this bear in mind that many of the customers have more money than they know what to spend it on. Oh, and half our customers don't know about the shop that sells $10 pizzas. Plus our $20 pizza shops run TV ads nightly and have been in business for 20 years at the same location.
BTW, I put a small house up for 20k last night just to see if it will sell. I don't usually do houses and that vendor has no other houses on it so I don't know if its a well designed experiment.
Sevardos
Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:29 am
#10
20K for a small house is what are my prices now - and have been at that price for about 2-3 months. Really don't know if I'm selling a lot or not, but I'd say I'm selling a 1 small house per week. Ironically, I just sold 10 last night for someone building a new city. Although, they didn't ask, I dropped the price to 15K because she's a good and kind repeat customer.
I really don't know how much of a market there is for houses to be honest. I actually sell 3x more merchant tents than houses - and I sell those for 29K. Could be just a cycle though.
Anyone selling a lot of small houses? Maybe I'm underestimating the market for them.
Heavies seem to be cyclical for me now - they dropped down to 1 to 2a day and then over the weekend I sold 30 in 2 days to 6 different customers. Shocked the hell out of me. All of them were 169K to 179K. Ironically, I was honestly thinking about lowering my prices to about 150K but this weekend changed my mind.
Good luck - I'm sure you'll sell houses just fine.
soulhunterst
Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:34 am
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I have been an architect since purchasing the game and tbh it was very hard to get started in this prof. I have since built quite a good business up with a lot of repeat custom i agree that the architect trade has been damaged but tbh dont think its the archis fault...this problem is a direct result of hologrinding ie hologrinder gains the profession uses up whatever resources he had left from his/her grind and moves on selling the results for next to nothing to fuel his/her next attempt at unlocking the jedi they so dearly want. i have seen this debated endlessly over the past few months and i was even prompted to post about it myself on a few occasions...but in the end realised that something is worth whatever the customer is willing to pay as such my harvs are priced to make it hard to undercut me without making a loss. Where i make the bulk of my cashis fromfurniture which i class as a luxury item and as such price accordingly. after the next patch when hologrinding becomes a thing of the past i think that the economy will start to balance itself out leaving people such as myself to do the profession that we like in the way it was meant to be played....in reply to the pricing of houses i sell small/basic houses for 13k so that the new players can always get a start on the property ladder as for mediums i charge 90k each and large 140k each and i cant make enough they are always cleared off my vendor within a day or two of being placed their like someone said in another part of this thread most people who buy medium and large houses are worth millions anyway with a steady income as well.....so these people are not going to worry about 10,20,30,40k more expensive than such n such down the street what matters to people is availability they want to be able to visit a regular vendor and get what they want first time every time...anyway if anyone needs a soapbox they can have this one ive been standing on just gimmee a /tell in game
Ikoroo
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:31 pm
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I have a master arch on the shadowfire server and here is what I sell my products for:
Med Mineral and MoistureBER 10 ...45k I know thats well over 10cpu, and that seems to go against my philosophy of not overpricing but if Isellthem for less, I will never be able to keep up demand... BER 9 Med Minerals and Moisture ...30k and still hard to keep them in stock!!!
All other Mediums 65k for BER 10's and 50k for BER 9's I won't sell anything BER 8 or lower.
Heavy Harvesters range from 150 - 175k depending on demand, the price fluctuates based on current demands, if I haven't sold any for a few days I'll drop the price a little, but never below 150k.
Fusions I have sold ranging from 100 - 150k again this price depends mostly on the size of my stockpile and the current demands.
I don't sell houses or city structures, on Shadowfire it seems to me that all the folks interested in the city buildings are or already have access to a MA, I have heard numerous times "no thanks, I'll be getting those for free" and houses aren't much in demand right now they just sit on the vendors and rot. When I was just starting outI sold some houses for9 - 12k.
It never ceases to amaze me how spoiled SOME of us archshave gotten.Arch products are the easiest money, generally, in the game. Save for the some uber weapons and armormade with uber drops. But for consistency nothing beats the Arch prof.Think about it, how many resourcesdo we need to be"A" grade.... I can think of onlya fewright off the top of my head....steel and ore for most things, inert gas for the light ore mining units, and as long as you use lube oil the quality of your chem doesn't matter. Not to mention that you can use any type of these. Of course no other profs will use the quantity that we use, generator turbines for one are a huge pain, but the quality of these sources does not matter!!! All other crafters have specific needs, certain types of steel for example that are not always spawned and often low quaility, and unless you have very high quality of these very specificresources you will not be able to compete in yourrespective market.
20k for a small house??? Gimme a break,you canuse cheap grinding sources bought for 2cpu and sell a house for 12k and still make double your money back.
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