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Thread: Micro Sensor Suites and their sub parts... Any relation on Craft Stations?

zg_tec
Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:07 pm
#1

yes it does.. If I use 87% experimented MSS i get 43.3, with 89% experimented i get 43.5 **edit** i wish i had some good steel...


BTW this is also using 99% CU's and 99% DS's





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Pawlin
Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:56 pm
#2

I'm not sure that the last 2 answers got the question really.


We know that the quality of the MSS affects the quality of the crafting station. Thats notthe question. However her point is that the quality of the subcomponets don't seem to affect the quality of the MSS so if you have 2 different MSS made that both come out 80% then will they give equal results in teh final crafting station. TO be able to answer that question you would have had to test making MSS's both with good and poorer quality subcomponents and then compared their impact on the final crafting station.





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LadyLeala
Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:57 pm
#3





zg_tec wrote:

yes it does.. If I use 87% experimented MSS i get 43.3, with 89% experimented i get 43.5 **edit** i wish i had some good steel...


BTW this is also using 99% CU's and 99% DS's






Okay... let me clarify my initial post a bit further.


I don't remember the exact names of all the stuff I used, but here is a rough draft so you get a concept of what I did:


MICRO SENSOR SUITEA (QUANTITY 2)


10 units of steel (let's just call itSteel A)
15 units of inert gas (let's just call it Gas A)
9 Units of metal (let's just call it Metal A)
3 units of low grade ore (let's just call it Ore A)
1 Electronics GP Module (Quality rating: 96%)
1 Energy Distributor (Quality rating: 97%)
1 Control Unit (Quality Rating: 88%)


END PRODUCT VERSION A: Micro Sensor Suite with Quality of 80% after experimentation


MICRO SENSOR SUITEB (QUANTITY 2)


10 units of steel (same Steel A used)
15 units of inert gas (Gas A used again)
9 Units of metal (Metal A used again)
3 units of low grade ore (Ore A used again)
1 Electronics GP Module (Quality rating: 10%)
1 Energy Distributor (Qualit rating: 10%)
1 Control Unit (Quality Rating: 88%)


END PRODUCT VERSION B: Micro Sensor Suite with Quality of 80% after experimentation



So.... I realized as I typed these ingredients in here that I used identical Control Units, but the GP Modules and Energy Distributors were different. Yet the resulting Micro Sensor Suite had the exact same Quality rating in both versions withjust those twoswitches (the GP mod and energy distributor). I will test this further by using a low quality Control Unit as well.


But if I am correct in my thinking here.... then the ONLY items that affect the total effectiveness on the crafting station are:


1) The quality of theresources (not the subcomponents) used in creating the Micro Sensor Suites (which would yield a high quality Micro Sensor Suite) 2) The quality of the Droid Storage Compartments (this I have definitely confirmed in a prior experiment) 3) The quality of the Control Units added at the final combine 4) The conductivity of the metal


I'll be doing some research on this over the next few days... unless someone beats me to it.




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BoberFett
Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:49 pm
#4
Interesting, I'll run some test of my own tonight.
LadyLeala
Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:21 am
#5
Yes, I'm posting this in the Architect forum for a reason.


Last night, I ran a test because I was curious.... but I have yet to conclude my testing until I do a bit more testing. And I hate testing with very high quality materials since I have scant few k of them to spare... So here is my question, along with what I tried last night:


I created 4 Micro Sensor Suites.


On the first pair, I used very high quality Control Unit, Electronics GP Mod, Energy Distributor, and Electronics Memory Mod (all three of them were 96% or better). Then I used average quality metals for the rest of the Micro Sensor Suite, and the end result was a Micro Sensor Suite with 80% quality rating.


For the 2nd pair of Micro Sensor Suites, I instead used very LOW qualitysub components (except the Control Unit wasidentical), and the same average quality metals for the rest of the schematic.The end result here was ALSO 80% quality rating. No change whatsoever.


So my question here is this:


Does the quality of the subcomponents for the MicroSensor Suites affect the end result of the actual Crafting Station? Please include actual tests run if possible. (I'll likely be doing at least a few of my own tests here soon).



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Pawlin
Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:35 am
#6

Huh. I had just simply assumed that the quality of the subcomponents mattered to the final MSS quality. But it doesn't look like it from your results. If the subcomponent quality does not matter then that would seem wrong to me.





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Torakusu
Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:45 am
#7

Short answer: Yes.


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BoberFett
Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:06 am
#8
OK, don't start throwing your high quality copper away on shoddy parts.


I spent the last several hours doing small factory runs to get some parts I could use for stations. I built:


13% GP Module

16% Control Unit

2% Energy Distributor (I rememberedthat I had some REALLY bad materials around)


I made10 of each of these. I then used these parts plus high quality materials in a Micro Sensor Suite schematic. The MSS ended up with an 89%. I then made:


97% GP Module

97% Control Unit

97% Energy Distributor


I made 10 of these as well and used these in a second MSS schematic. I used the exact same materials in this MSS that I did in the other MSS, the only difference was the quality of the three subcomponents.


I had several stacks of 97% Droid Storage Components laying around, and had some leftover 97% Control Units from a previous batch to use in the station.


So my components at this point are:


89% MSS with Bad Components

89% MSS with Good Components

97% Droid Storage Components

97% Control Units

1000 CD Polysteel Copper


I built two Food and Chemical stations, one using the Good MSS and the other using the Bad MSS. That's all the further I had to go. Both stations started out with great successes. The initial rating for the Bad MSS station was -5. The intial rating of the Good MSS station was 20. I experimented both stations to 99%. The Bad MSS station got to just over 15. The Good MSS station ended up a 42.69.


This just reinforces in my mind that the developers need to put stats on subcomponents. Apparently in this case, even the subcomponents of subcomponents matter a great deal, even if you can't see that in the final build of the subcomponent. How the system even keeps track of that I dont know. There must be some hidden stats in there. I'd have a hard time believing they leave the subcomponents sitting in a table somewhere, they must roll them into the stats of the final object. They just need to show us every stat that's available for each type of object.
Tweaky
Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:25 am
#9
You will not see a difference in the experimentation percentage of the MSS regardless of subcomponents. That percentage only applies to that particular final combine. It does not show us the true "quality rating" of the MSS. But there is one. Crappy MSS sub-parts WILL affect the FR of a crafting station. As will leaving out an ED. Rough guess using the parts above, with 998CD copper for the station combine, you will get about 22 FR for the lousy ones, and 41ish for the good ones. Assuming 99.9% DSC's.



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