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Thread: Do you support this type of trade activity?
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BULLROACH
Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:15 pm
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On the Bio Engineer forum they are discussing the selling of schematics and I thought it would be a great topic for the Architect forum also. They were discussing if you sell them and how you felt about it in general. The selling of schematics is a practice that I follow. I break it down into two fees. Fee one is the schematic and fee two is for my expertise. I sell the schematics at twenty-five credits per unit produced and 1k per percent experimentation above 75%. This way I am being paid for my time, expertise, and talents.
1000 x 25cpu = 25k
Base quality = 75% After experimentation 95%
20 x 1k = 20k
Total cost of Schematic = 45k
I find that is makes me a nice side income anywhere from 300k-600k per month besides my other ventures. I even have a side-side business of building up resources and making an ok schematic with them and selling the schematic and the resources to make the end product to others. It is not detrimental to my business because of a loyal customer base and business diversity so I feel positive about the practice. If you are in a narrow line of product I would not suggest that you do it because you would put yourself out of business.
1000 x 25cpu = 25k
Base quality = 75% After experimentation 95%
20 x 1k = 20k
Total cost of Schematic = 45k
I find that is makes me a nice side income anywhere from 300k-600k per month besides my other ventures. I even have a side-side business of building up resources and making an ok schematic with them and selling the schematic and the resources to make the end product to others. It is not detrimental to my business because of a loyal customer base and business diversity so I feel positive about the practice. If you are in a narrow line of product I would not suggest that you do it because you would put yourself out of business.
Message Edited by BULLROACH on 07-23-2004 08:43 AM
StumanKadir
Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:27 pm
#2
Yeah I'm a frequent seller of schematics, but on of the problems is (especially with our profession) is that unless you are also going to sell the resources and the other component schematics as well, the data is next to useless.
If say a schematic for a BER13 Heavy requires Generator serial no 23fg345, and that requires Aluminum of a certain type, steel of certain type, etc, then without those resources, the schem is useless.
ZenDragonMLS
Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:32 pm
#3
I suppose that an architect could sell schematics, but as has been pointed out, the resource demands of any architect item exceed any other schematics by a factor of100-1000X, so from the customer's perspective the effort would match that of the architect - better to just buy the finished goods from the archtect outright and have them do all of the resource and production management.
I can see selling Master Artisan schematics or perhaps schematics for popular commodities (like powerups) if they used resources that were readily available in the marketplace.
CarquinezVridges
Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:13 pm
#4
While I don't sell schematics perse, I will make a schematic for a customer using their resources and components for a very nominal fee. If it's for something like furniture or something I make little profit on, I might make the schematic for someone who rarely deals with me. For more advanced stuff/stuff I make my living off of, then I will only do it for good customers.
Pawlin
Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:26 pm
#5
BULLROACH wrote:
...I thought it would be a great topic for the Artisan forum also....
Did you mean to post this in the ARtisan forum?
Not much business in Architect schematics. Dunno if theres really any business in Artisan schematics either though.
I don't see anything wrong with selling schematics. As long as you're sufficiently compensated for your time and the market value of the schematic. But I think you're leaving a lot of easy money on the table.
Option 1: make and sell 85% BSNs. Buy a big stack of meat for 20 cpu. Buy a bunch of flora for 5 cpu. Total costs 600k. Make schematic, throw them in a factory for a day or two. sell the 1000 x crates for 40k each for 1M profit.
Option 2: make schematic for 45k profit.
I don't think option 1 poses too much more work for the 20x profits.
Of course my numbers are just examples and YMMV.
ASrai
Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:19 pm
#6
This has been a kinda hot button issue on the Tailor Forums off and on for awhile. I usually don't make schematics since I stock a large selection of components (Tailorwise that is). As has been pointed out, Architechs really don't get asked for schematics since most items require huge amounts of resources and othe subcomponents that require huge amount of resouces.
For my tailor business, I don't see the need for someone to ask me to make them a schematic. Most of the time, they are asking for it since they usually don't want to pay for the finished goods and are basically treating you as a crafting ATM. Insert resouces, out pops schematic, thank you come again. Certain items I might consider making a schematic for if they ask really nicely, but I am going to charge them more than just a nominal fee to do it. The way I see it, I spent the time, skillpoints, and knowledge to be able to craft those things.
Fneegan
Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:30 am
#7
At first, I didn't really see any problem with it.
Then, I thought your pricing formula was rather high and why you'd ever use 1000 as a baseline for anything (since that's the default output for all schematics).
Then, I thought it takes about 5 seconds to experiment and make a schematic and again, 1k for 1% was rather pricy.
Then I thought, sure it isa business - you provide a service, sales and revenue - it does take some of your time and there should be a HIGH cost for a schematic. (as in a way - you're actually giving someone access and rights into a specific profession.
Then I thought of how many schematics have I sold in one year ? ONE
Then I thought, well, so, you sell a schematic, but it's largely dependent upon if the resources used for the schematic if they are still available.
Then I thought, it's probably a very small percent of the market. You only make 300k a month, that's about 6 schems. Also, eventually, they will run out of resources thus making the schematic obsolete.
Then, yesterday I saw a post on the Trade forums about someone wanting to buy a bunch of different things in crates.
Then,I thought of someone resellingthese crated items and alsothough about resellersfrom these schematics.
Then, I thought again, it's still a small part of the market.
Then, I thought, if everybody sold crates (for the purpose of resales) and schematics - then we may as well not be in the Architect business.
So,.......... I may make the odd schematic but in not into the schematic selling business -- as a whole.
I think, Architects also have SUCH a wide range of items to craft - why would I want to give someone who's not a crafter/Architect any part of that market ?
So, that's what I thought.
Arratarr
Sat Jul 24, 2004 8:10 pm
#8
This is actually something I reccomend to Tailors already. They sell lots of synthetic cloth, and sometimes its a pain to run it themselves.
Now, while one can sell a data schematic on their vendor, they could also sell the resources in a backpack. It would be VERY nice to be able to pair the schematic with a backpack so its one sale.
I wish you can dump a schematic in your datapad into a physical item you can place into a backpack.... or have a craftable backpack with 1 data storage capacity.
Due to the heavy resource investment for architects, Selling architectual schematics doesn't seem as big a matter than for others. The big ones I know of that other tradeskills use are Synthetic cloth, Fiberplast Panels, Reinforced Fiber panels, and possibly trim... the resources needed are pretty small and simple.
Now, while one can sell a data schematic on their vendor, they could also sell the resources in a backpack. It would be VERY nice to be able to pair the schematic with a backpack so its one sale.
I wish you can dump a schematic in your datapad into a physical item you can place into a backpack.... or have a craftable backpack with 1 data storage capacity.
Due to the heavy resource investment for architects, Selling architectual schematics doesn't seem as big a matter than for others. The big ones I know of that other tradeskills use are Synthetic cloth, Fiberplast Panels, Reinforced Fiber panels, and possibly trim... the resources needed are pretty small and simple.
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