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Thread: A small question on Quality, and does it really matter...

Norstar
Mon Mar 15, 2004 8:28 am
#1

I am a Master on the Tempest server, and I will say up front I don't currently sell to the public. However, I do like to take pride in the fact I try to make the best possible items with the resources available to me.


I have been experimenting lately with trying to get my hopper size on max BER medium minerals as high as it can go.

For the final combine, the materials I am using are as follows:


Duralloy Steel CR 698, CD 642, HR 994, MA 381, OQ 839, SR 994, UT 945

Vintrium Extrusive Ore CR 915, DR 958, HR 949, MA 547, OQ 543, SR 936, UT 939

Toss in a random Lube oil, 96% experimented Light mining unit, and that's what I have.


After experimentation, I am getting hoppers in the range of 65,000. IF I were to begin selling these, have any of you noticed whether hopper size has any effect on sales whatsoever, or do people just look at BER and price?


I could potentially get a larger hopper, but haven't really looked into what other metals I can throw into the final product to raise the MA without compromising the BER, and the number of points I have to spend to hit max. (currently, I am able to max BER with about 4 points left to go into the hopper)


I guess my question is, if I were to try to find a niche in the harvester selling business, is it worth my time and effort to get the best hoppers, or do people generally look more for price when buying harvesters?
Niklesnitz
Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:25 am
#2

I doubt hopper size has any bearing for most people. Its not likely people are going to leave their harvesters sitting there for more than a few days. And during that time, even on a 100% spot you couldn't fill the hoppers of mediums.


This is not to say that people don't appreciate a larger hopper.





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SpunkyKuma
Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:35 am
#3

I've made several different harvesters and extractors of different hopper size and BER rates, I bet you can guess which sells easier and faster; the ones with higher BER, the hopper really doesn't matter all that much to most people- a BER 4/29K personal extractor will satisfy my customer than a BER 3/37K personal extractor would.

As of right now (on Lowca), getting decent quality resources is pretty tough so I use the metals and ore that I have and grind out and focus on shock resistance, heat resistance and unit toughness (shock resistance is OK at 600 and up but lowers hopper %).



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Manipulative
Mon Mar 15, 2004 9:57 am
#4

Quite plainly, hopper size is of no importance at all. The risk of essentially wasting a perfectly good BER 10/13 harv to a crit fail on hoppre size is far too great.


I assume every one of us runs at least some of our own harvs. How many times have you emptied a harv to find that it was 100% full? Personally, I just did for the first time yesterday. I hada BER 10 medium, on an 85% conc, that had been sitting there for 5 days, because I was out of town. That's what it took to fill the hopper. All of my heavies were at about 50%.


If someone came back to me complaining about hopper size (which has never, ever happened), I'd encourage them to look into a heavy. Filling the hopper of a heavy is darned near impossible, as the spawn usually runs out before the hopper could fill up.





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Phalphalak
Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:08 am
#5

The BER is the most important attribute on harvs as far as I´m concerned and probably most other people, too. I´m not sure what the smallest hopper size is, but I assume it´s big enough to make your harvs run for a few days on a good spot without the need to empty them. So, IMHO I wouldn´t pay a lot more just to get a bigger hopper (maybe a lil bit). Also, I´d say most people don´t have a very close look on the hopper size either when buying. After all, size doesn´t seem to matter =)
Sundell
Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:10 am
#6

every request i've had has been BER, not one has said anything about hopper size.



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Pawlin
Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:26 am
#7

I've sold plenty of harvesters and I don't recall a single time that someone asked fora larger hopper size or a hopper size of a specific size. I've sold tons of harvesters in person and not had them ask at all about hopper size nor comment on it. That tells me that customers don't really care.


I try to throw 1-2 points of experiment into hopper size if I've got it to spare but I really don't sweat it.





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Cuttle44
Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:30 am
#8

I agree. I don't think anyone really cares about hopper size. If you don't tell them it's better, they'll never notice.



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Manipulative
Mon Mar 15, 2004 4:43 pm
#9

Quite plainly, hopper size is of no importance at all. The risk of essentially wasting a perfectly good BER 10/13 harv to a crit fail on hoppre size is far too great.


I assume every one of us runs at least some of our own harvs. How many times have you emptied a harv to find that it was 100% full? Personally, I just did for the first time yesterday. I hada BER 10 medium, on an 85% conc, that had been sitting there for 5 days, because I was out of town. That's what it took to fill the hopper. All of my heavies were at about 50%.


If someone came back to me complaining about hopper size (which has never, ever happened), I'd encourage them to look into a heavy. Filling the hopper of a heavy is darned near impossible, as the spawn usually runs out before the hopper could fill up.





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ZenDragonMLS
Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:16 pm
#10

I've got a BER16 fusion that I've neglected for a few extra days and it filled up. Other than that I don't think I've ever visited a harvester that was much over 80%. I *do* experiment the hopper size up when I can, since I focus on heavies and make a schematic. But it's really more of a matter of "pride" than any sort of customer demand. I really can't imagine a customer paying a higher price or looking for another vendor based on dissatisfaction with the hopper size that I'm offering.



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StumanKadir
Mon Mar 15, 2004 6:25 pm
#11

I have to disagree and say that on certain ranges, I have had people care a lot about hopper sizes. The ones that people seem to care about are Floras, Waters, Chems and Fusions.


It seems that with each of these, the chances of finding a >95% spot is significantly higher than with minerals. One the best sellers I have ever had are the large hopper sized BER13 High Cap Floras, mainly owing to most floras hanging around anywhere up to 17 days (on a high OQ/PE/FL Talusian Berries - thats the longest spawn I have ever seen to date). The multi-site mining guys seem to like them as it cuts down on their travel costs and if they can get an extra day or two out of their units, it means that have extra time to do something else.


Also, on Valcyn we are seeing longer spawn times as well in general - for example we just had an Ionite Intrusive ore that was around for 10 days!! -and some steels that have been around for 9 days.






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ComicsGuy
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:02 am
#12

I agree with most of the posters. None of my customers ask about hopper size. Because people have vehicles and player-city shuttles, it's very easy to check harvesters every few days, even in remote areas.


Orlaith
Tue Mar 16, 2004 8:05 am
#13

Even if you could manage to get a hopper as small as 30K, I doubt anyone would mind having to check their heavies every other day or even every day. In other words, it's the BER that counts, not the hopper size.



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