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Thread: Colorization during craftin discussion
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ravingbantha
Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:30 am
#1
I didn't want to place theis in the Poll thread since honestly it does not beling there. I have seen many many people voting for colorization during crafting and this worries me. Now I know we all have a right to voice our wants and desires, but I fell some of you may not fully realize the situation.
My fiance' (in RL) plays SWg with me, in fact she sits not 5 feet from me and is a Master Tailor and loves her profession, and her biggest problem with the profession is the issue of colorization during crafting. She will get a single customer that wants an outfit made, and she may spend an hour with that one customer on one outfit and that's usually just 3-5 items. People who care about colors are very picky, they want everything to match just right, and in most cases their stingy with the tip, some are very generous but you'll find most won't tip what your time was worth.
Now imagine getting called to someones house to redocorate.... Imagine how hard it's going to be to do an entire house. Not only do you have the normal challanges of decorationg (moving and angling) but now everything must match... think of the number of items that will intell, think of the hours spent in one house, and your gonna be faced with one of 3 situations... eaither the customer will gripe about the prices your charging just for comming out, they won't tip you what you feel your time was worth, or you may get lucky and find a good agreeable ammount that is paid to you.
People will expect us to spend hours in thier houses or on call just to make them the "right colored furniture"... On one end we'll either get to few colors to make a real difference, or we'll get a mismatched color pallet like tailors have (that's a nightmare to match up), or we'll get a full color pallet in which things will be really hard to get the right colors to match up.
Now yes furniture is cheap and easy to make, but our storage space is no longer unlimited as it once once, and not everyone has the gobbs of vendor space to offer everything that there is to offer. Furniture salemen will quite possibly become even more rare and then that means those who do sell furniture will be even more overloaded.
Yes a colorization during crafting will increase sales, but only during the initial phase. But I don not forsee it being a large enough increase to ballance out the long term headache. Yes I would like to see some sort of new colorization option added, but in the end, if we are held accountable for doing it, we'll become personal decorators instead of crafters.
Perhaps we could get both, color kits for customers to use, and an extended color pallet for architects to use in both during and after colorization... like what Droid engineers get. A droid engineer can color a droid during the crafting process, and they can sell pint kits. Now if Joe Smo uses the kit he get's something like half the total color options, but if a DE uses that same kit he/she get's alot more (due to the Droid custimzation skiill)...
Perhaps that as a comprimize will make all happy... regarless please give us matching color Pallets.
Archiman
Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:36 am
#2
i agree with most of what you are saying but i think that 'people' hire architects to decorate their homes as either they don't have the time/knowledge to get the proper furniture or are just not sure on what to do. And so in most cases, i know it happens with me, they just let the architect choose what looks best and in my opinion thats very wise. we know what were doing (most of the time) and i'm sure we can choose the appropriate colours for furnitures. and i like your last idea
Message Edited by Archiman on 01-07-2005 04:38 PM
Braydin
Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:51 am
#3
I have played a master tailor myself (Along with 14 other mastered professions), so I know of what you speak about the customer wanting things just so. But honestly I am one of those people that is voting for colorazation during crafting. Why?
- Return Customers. People change their minds often and want something different or just in a different color.
- Playing the profession.. not just loading the vendors with 5 of this item 10 of that.. True customer/Architect interaction.
Sure it will make it hard to stock the vendors with what people want, but it brings a level of enjoyment to the profession by making people something special. Having them just buy a kit to change the color of the furniture is:
- Unrealistic
- Takes away from us getting return customers. All they would need is to buy a kit.. currently they buy all new furniture when they want something new, with a kit they would only buy the kit and just settle for a new color.
- Doesn't add anything to our profession past a colorization kit.
If the kits to recolorize were useable by arch only, thus they NEEDED us to do it, I would go for that, but face it .. everytime SOE has done that (Droids, Vehicles) it gets taken away.. either on TC or shortly after the change goes live.
ravingbantha
Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:00 am
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which is why I suggested the kits work like what Driod engineers have. This would lighten the load on a Profession with few active architects (at least on my server), but still give the class a distinct advantage, if anyone can get a kit that gives them say 12 colors then alot of people would be happy with it, and we can charge alot for them, however a master architect would get say a full 256 color pallet and those with money would pay for our services over and over again. And anyone who has decorated knows that the real profit in custom orders is the tip for time.
LdyCharmne
Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:03 am
#5
Color Customization kits have worked really well for vehicles and droids, why not make them availiable for certain pieces of furniture? I think that this truly is a great thought, since my character on Radiant is a Armorsmith and Tailor, and Oh... Oh... do I know the pain it is to match colors! Allowing the customer to buy kits also gives them control over what they want, making it a good enviroment for both seller and buyer. To me it seems like this would even be less work to make one new schematic, as opposed to modifying how many?
I also think that these color options (especially if they work like a DE where a Arch would have more choices than the average bear) would make for more people who'd be interested in the decorating skills of the Architect. I know for myself, I run a service for my guildies that I'll decorate for them for free, but they need to pay for the furniture I use. For non-guildies I end up charging enough to cover my time and travel. Heck, I prefer my Interior Decorator title to my Master Architect one. 
Of course, caveat emptor, (buyer beware) as not all Architects are decorators or even want to try to be!!
Of course, caveat emptor, (buyer beware) as not all Architects are decorators or even want to try to be!!
Anthemion
Fri Jan 07, 2005 10:56 pm
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Let's try to look at things a different way.
The problem is that it is difficult/impossible to match colors in the current tailor system which we would like to adopt.
I would suggest we ask for a way to "match" the color of items! As far as I can tell we need to compensate for the change of color due to the texture of the item being colored. The colors need to compensate for this shift in averaged color. So items made with the same "color" will look like they match.
Do I sound reasonable or like I'm smoking crack?... Well, that's my nickel.
The problem is that it is difficult/impossible to match colors in the current tailor system which we would like to adopt.
I would suggest we ask for a way to "match" the color of items! As far as I can tell we need to compensate for the change of color due to the texture of the item being colored. The colors need to compensate for this shift in averaged color. So items made with the same "color" will look like they match.
Do I sound reasonable or like I'm smoking crack?... Well, that's my nickel.
Mystyrys
Sat Jan 08, 2005 1:57 am
#7
As a Master Tailor for over a year now, I have done my share of remaking clothes for a customer to get the colors just so... and I don't mind doing that at all. For me, that is part of the fun of the profession! Working with the customer, face-to-face, to create for them just the right outfit in just the right colors. Or often you get a customer that says, "I don't know, you're the tailor, make something that will look good on me..." (I LOVE those people!) The personal touch and freedom of creativity is the most fun part of being a tailor! I would hate it if I was just a generic prototype dispensing machine that sold default color clothing and recoloring kits. ICK!
As an Architect still working my way to Master, I would feel the same way about making furniture. If we were able to choose colors, and "Design" a color/style theme, and offer choices to our customers, and get to work one-on-one with designing their homes, shops and museums... that would be fabulous! Every time I make furniture I think, "I wish we could have colorpalettesfor these things." Not color kits, but to be able to craft them that way.
And BEs have color during crafting too, without kits as an add-on item. How many of you have bought a BE pet based on it's color alone? /raise hand I know I have. Often. Keyword Often. Repeat business.
Message Edited by Mystyrys on 01-07-2005 02:59 PM
Seriah-EH
Sat Jan 08, 2005 5:53 am
#8
I think architets just need some way to make return business....a person can only use so many houses, factoriesand harvesters. and furniture as well....but if they could actually get new colors, i think architects would see alot more business....
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